bwv812 wrote: OperaSoprano wrote:
Danneskjöld wrote: The reality is most law school graduates never find a first paying legal job and end up leaving the law. If you don't have the credential to find a first job, you'll never find a second. And, what gets you that first job? Top grades or top LS.. that's it.
The first response basically restated your dilemma of top grades or top LS. Incidentally, the "most law school graduates don't find a first paying legal job" comment is hyperbole. Many do not, especially at lower ranked schools, but extant statistics do not back up a claim for "most." (If temporary positions are not included, it might be closer.)
What statistics are you talking about, OS? I think things aren't as rosy as you probably imagine.
While Danneskjöld may be wrong, there's a lot of truth in what he says. Over 45,000 JDs are granted every year (and this number is growing), while there are probably less than 30,000 jobs for new lawyers every year (and this number is probably shrinking): http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/08/opinion/la-oe-greenbaum8-2010jan08
The situation is even worse if you consider that attrition at law schools is in the range of 6,500 per year, and there are over 50,000 1Ls every year.
Yes, I've seen that article and those statistics. Around 15,000 of every 45,000 graduates being unable to land legal jobs is certainly a frighteningly large percentage, and ought to make anyone think twice, but it would not seem to fall within the definition of "most." The true number of jobs would have to be very far under 30k for "most law school graduates don't find a first paying legal job" to be an accurate statement.
I am 100% for the dissemination of facts and figures, even estimates, as given here, but accuracy matters. "A worryingly large proportion" would have been the accurate statement.
FTR I am very much in agreement that schools should be stopped from admitting more students than they plan to allow to graduate. Forced attrition does nothing but line the pockets of lower tier schools that do this, at the expense of students who are out a year's tuition. If schools don't want to take the bar passage hit, they should decline to admit these students, sparing them the debt.