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inthefuture
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no jobs?

Postby inthefuture » Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:54 pm

So at my internship (DA's office), there are many law school graduates who claim that no firms were hiring when they graduated, within the past two years, and that they could not find employment anywhere.

Is this how it is for everyone? majority ? some people? Is it the recession's fault these law school graduates cannot find jobs as they claim?

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Re: no jobs?

Postby Cavalier » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:01 pm

inthefuture wrote:So at my internship (DA's office), there are many law school graduates who claim that no firms were hiring when they graduated, within the past two years, and that they could not find employment anywhere.

Is this how it is for everyone? majority ? some people? Is it the recession's fault these law school graduates cannot find jobs as they claim?

Those people are making absurd claims. I don't know why people are blaming their failure to find jobs on the fact that the country is in a recession and has an unemployment rate at 10.4%. Correlation does not equal causation, as those people should have learned when they took the LSAT. The only reason why people can't find jobs is because of their law school grades. The economy has nothing to do with it.

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Re: no jobs?

Postby romothesavior » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:04 pm

Cavalier wrote:
inthefuture wrote:So at my internship (DA's office), there are many law school graduates who claim that no firms were hiring when they graduated, within the past two years, and that they could not find employment anywhere.

Is this how it is for everyone? majority ? some people? Is it the recession's fault these law school graduates cannot find jobs as they claim?

Those people are making absurd claims. I don't know why people are blaming their failure to find jobs on the fact that the country is in a recession and has an unemployment rate at 10.4%. Correlation does not equal causation, as those people should have learned when they took the LSAT. The only reason why people can't find jobs is because of their law school grades. The economy has nothing to do with it.


Could you explain yourself a little better here? I mean, sure grades are the main factor, but if a person finishes top 40% or something decent at a T20, wouldn't they pretty easily find a job pre-ITE? Not everyone can be top 10% and on LR, but that doesn't mean they should be getting shut out entirely, especially if they went to a strong T1 school. Isn't the economy to blame for a lot of this tightening of legal hiring?

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Re: no jobs?

Postby romothesavior » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:04 pm

Or did I just commit a big sarcasm-fail?

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Re: no jobs?

Postby 270910 » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:06 pm

romothesavior wrote:I just committed a big sarcasm-fail.

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Re: no jobs?

Postby inthefuture » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:07 pm

Maybe they did not have the best grades in law school, but isn't it possible that a good portion of them had decent grades and resumes and still were unable to find a job?

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Re: no jobs?

Postby Always Credited » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:07 pm

romothesavior wrote:
Cavalier wrote:
inthefuture wrote:So at my internship (DA's office), there are many law school graduates who claim that no firms were hiring when they graduated, within the past two years, and that they could not find employment anywhere.

Is this how it is for everyone? majority ? some people? Is it the recession's fault these law school graduates cannot find jobs as they claim?

Those people are making absurd claims. I don't know why people are blaming their failure to find jobs on the fact that the country is in a recession and has an unemployment rate at 10.4%. Correlation does not equal causation, as those people should have learned when they took the LSAT. The only reason why people can't find jobs is because of their law school grades. The economy has nothing to do with it.


Could you explain yourself a little better here? I mean, sure grades are the main factor, but if a person finishes top 40% or something decent at a T20, wouldn't they pretty easily find a job pre-ITE? Not everyone can be top 10% and on LR, but that doesn't mean they should be getting shut out entirely, especially if they went to a strong T1 school. Isn't the economy to blame for a lot of this tightening of legal hiring?


Can you provide any data to show that top 40% at a T20 isn't being hired with relative ease ITE? I see plenty of data, both anecdotal and otherwise, that suggests the bottom 20% of schools are, as always, not being hired. Not so much for above median, though.

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Re: no jobs?

Postby reverendt » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:08 pm

Cavalier wrote:
inthefuture wrote:So at my internship (DA's office), there are many law school graduates who claim that no firms were hiring when they graduated, within the past two years, and that they could not find employment anywhere.

Is this how it is for everyone? majority ? some people? Is it the recession's fault these law school graduates cannot find jobs as they claim?

Those people are making absurd claims. I don't know why people are blaming their failure to find jobs on the fact that the country is in a recession and has an unemployment rate at 10.4%. Correlation does not equal causation, as those people should have learned when they took the LSAT. The only reason why people can't find jobs is because of their law school grades. The economy has nothing to do with it.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not...
But taking your post at face value, I'd say of course the economy has SOMETHING to do with it. It's definitely changed the legal field and cut down on the jobs and choices available to most law grads.
At the same point, grades, a persons drive to get out there and find a job, and willingness to take what might not be your dream job factor in heavily as well.

inthefuture
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Re: no jobs?

Postby inthefuture » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:12 pm

How exactly do grades determine your job acceptance?

Do employers look at the overall GPA of your law school when they make their choices? Or is there a breakdown of 1L grades, 2L grades, and so on?

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Re: no jobs?

Postby blsingindisguise » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:18 pm

inthefuture wrote:How exactly do grades determine your job acceptance?

Do employers look at the overall GPA of your law school when they make their choices? Or is there a breakdown of 1L grades, 2L grades, and so on?


The issue is really that a lot of hiring is done after 1L year - that's why you hear so much emphasis on 1st year grades. 1L grades are also considered a more reliable indicator since 2L and 3L courseloads have more variance, but it's less likely that an employer is going to ask for a transcript in a post-grad hiring situation and more likely they'll just see your class rank/gpa.

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Re: no jobs?

Postby OperaSoprano » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:22 pm

Cavalier wrote:
inthefuture wrote:So at my internship (DA's office), there are many law school graduates who claim that no firms were hiring when they graduated, within the past two years, and that they could not find employment anywhere.

Is this how it is for everyone? majority ? some people? Is it the recession's fault these law school graduates cannot find jobs as they claim?

Those people are making absurd claims. I don't know why people are blaming their failure to find jobs on the fact that the country is in a recession and has an unemployment rate at 10.4%. Correlation does not equal causation, as those people should have learned when they took the LSAT. The only reason why people can't find jobs is because of their law school grades. The economy has nothing to do with it.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's being serious. Or at the very least, talking about something none of us can get off our minds for long. The issue here is that the bar got moved. Where top 40% might have done it in the past, employers are now looking for higher grades across the board, and none of us know how much higher. It's that uncertainty that scares people.




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