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UnbornWidow
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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby UnbornWidow » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:54 am

Drew2010 wrote:
blsingindisguise wrote:ITT:

1) People who have never been in the law job market call a person who is actually working as a lawyer a "troll" for claiming the market isn't very good.



to quote the OP's blog (LinkRemoved):
HomelessLawyerPostingFromLibrary a.k.a. OP wrote:Today we went over to the Top Law Schools forum and secretly replaced their regular brand of "pro-law school" forum posts with our own special brand of dark, sparkling "law school scambusting" forum posts. Can these lemmings on Top Law Schools forum tell the difference? Let's go there now and find out!



P.S. In case you missed the reference above, it refers to this old commercial.
Posted by HomelessLawyerPostingFromLibrary at 8:02 PM 4 comments


I'd call that person a troll, but you can call them whatever you like... maybe messiah?



How about "educator," oh, pupil of mine?

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby thuggishruggishbone » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:00 am

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
Drew2010 wrote:
UnbornWidow wrote:factors that are BEYOND THE CONTROL of that law school grad. Factors like circumstances--how attractive and personable that grad is. How they look in a suit.


To a certain extent I think it is just plain laziness to say that those things are beyond a person’s control. 99% of the population can probably become attractive enough with a little effort that it won't prohibit them from being successful, or even be much of a hindrance to being successful. The same would go for how they look in a suit, or how personable they are. People can choose to take their fat ass to the gym, just like they can choose to behave however the hell they want.


In fairness, waking up one morning and deciding not to be shy/reserved is a nearly impossible task. Also, you can go to the gym all you want, but if you are unlucky enough to have croocked teeth (and can't pay for adult orthodoncy--something which is incredibly expensive, a topic I unfortunately have first-hand knowledge about), or a bad back that forces you in to a slouch, you can't simply out-will those things.

Being a really overwight person who is just a jerk to the people around him/r, on the other hand, is certainly fixable.


Agreed--you can't fix 'ugly' or being short (well, maybe if you spend enough money on doctors).

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby zreinhar » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:19 am

Soo umm, feel bad for OP just I just finished my bachrlor's and got offered 65k with no exp. I guess maybe things just don't work out that great in life....

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby UnbornWidow » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:57 pm

zreinhar wrote:Soo umm, feel bad for OP just I just finished my bachrlor's and got offered 65k with no exp. I guess maybe things just don't work out that great in life....



yeah, I bet you feel real bad for me. I getting the vibe that you are really a sensitive and caring sort of person....

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby zreinhar » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:41 pm

UnbornWidow wrote:
zreinhar wrote:Soo umm, feel bad for OP just I just finished my bachrlor's and got offered 65k with no exp. I guess maybe things just don't work out that great in life....



yeah, I bet you feel real bad for me. I getting the vibe that you are really a sensitive and caring sort of person....


In all honesty I was expecting a "well hes only going to GSU" stab, but its all good.

I dont feel bad for people who have jobs that pay 60k when family members work 70 hours a week at restaurants to help raise their two kids while living in government housing... those are the people I feel sorry for. those and the people i pass out blankets and food to on tuesday nights in grant park on the southside of atlanta.. either way...

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby swester » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:09 pm

Funny, those "people" who you feel so sorry for (who, by the way, resent and despise your pity for them) - they don't have anywhere near the debt load of the average law school grad. And guess what? If things get too bad, they can declare bankruptcy and discharge those debts. Not so for academic loans!

So who's the real economic slave?

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby zreinhar » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:28 am

I dont think thesy despise my pity when I welcome them in my house and help them get jobs and training .. either way Im not for talking smack on forums, its a waste of everyone's time, and you are right, they have the beauty of bankruptcy... but just because you declare bankruptcy doesn't mean you never have to pay it back, expecially with the new laws in GA (entirely unsubstantiated, just hearsay)eithe way, the threads been hijacked and doesnt really matter any more

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby zreinhar » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:29 am

And alot of the ones I have spoken with are homless because they took out too much money for their undergrad, and never finished....

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby cardnal124 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:33 am

zreinhar wrote:I dont think thesy despise my pity when I welcome them in my house and help them get jobs and training .. either way Im not for talking smack on forums, its a waste of everyone's time, and you are right, they have the beauty of bankruptcy... but just because you declare bankruptcy doesn't mean you never have to pay it back, expecially with the new laws in GA (entirely unsubstantiated, just hearsay)eithe way, the threads been hijacked and doesnt really matter any more


Bankruptcy is a federal law not a state law.

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby zreinhar » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:19 am

i stand corrected and will refrain form further posts.. :D

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:06 pm

cardnal124 wrote:
zreinhar wrote:I dont think thesy despise my pity when I welcome them in my house and help them get jobs and training .. either way Im not for talking smack on forums, its a waste of everyone's time, and you are right, they have the beauty of bankruptcy... but just because you declare bankruptcy doesn't mean you never have to pay it back, expecially with the new laws in GA (entirely unsubstantiated, just hearsay)eithe way, the threads been hijacked and doesnt really matter any more


Bankruptcy is a federal law not a state law.


ITT: MASSIVE oversimplification

The bankruptcy code is federal law, but the bankruptcy code, for the most part, tries really hard not to screw with rights as determined by State law.

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby Z3RO » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:29 pm

Am I the only person skeptical of the way that successful lawyers are presumably characterized by this guy? All beautiful, young, go-getters with nothing but the wind in their hair and a pearly, beautiful smile.

Please. Unless the legal market is some topsy-turvey bizzarro world existing on a plane only tangentially connected to our own, I have to believe that your job performance is actually much more important than your appearance. Even if crooked teeth and a bad back did preclude people from getting gainful legal employment, almost nobody has that winning combination, so your argument (that decent wages in law don't exist unless you win the lottery) applies to almost nobody.

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby UnbornWidow » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:50 am

Z3RO wrote:Am I the only person skeptical of the way that successful lawyers are presumably characterized by this guy? All beautiful, young, go-getters with nothing but the wind in their hair and a pearly, beautiful smile.

Please. Unless the legal market is some topsy-turvey bizzarro world existing on a plane only tangentially connected to our own, I have to believe that your job performance is actually much more important than your appearance. Even if crooked teeth and a bad back did preclude people from getting gainful legal employment, almost nobody has that winning combination, so your argument (that decent wages in law don't exist unless you win the lottery) applies to almost nobody.



you do not get it--law is a form of SALES. Period.

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Re: There are jobs out there for grads of TOP law schools

Postby monaarts » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:05 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
Drew2010 wrote:
UnbornWidow wrote:factors that are BEYOND THE CONTROL of that law school grad. Factors like circumstances--how attractive and personable that grad is. How they look in a suit.


To a certain extent I think it is just plain laziness to say that those things are beyond a person’s control. 99% of the population can probably become attractive enough with a little effort that it won't prohibit them from being successful, or even be much of a hindrance to being successful. The same would go for how they look in a suit, or how personable they are. People can choose to take their fat ass to the gym, just like they can choose to behave however the hell they want.


In fairness, waking up one morning and deciding not to be shy/reserved is a nearly impossible task. Also, you can go to the gym all you want, but if you are unlucky enough to have croocked teeth (and can't pay for adult orthodoncy--something which is incredibly expensive, a topic I unfortunately have first-hand knowledge about), or a bad back that forces you in to a slouch, you can't simply out-will those things.

Being a really overwight person who is just a jerk to the people around him/r, on the other hand, is certainly fixable.



I'm sorry but the teeth and back thing are excuses. Some people always choose the excuses that they CAN'T change instead of looking at the problems that they can change.

I have crooked teeth, I am not the best looking person in the world, and I grew up in a very bad household but I still have a great job and I am well respected for the job I do. It's about what you do and fixing the problems that you CAN fix.

Word of advice for everyone: Stop worrying about the problems you CAN'T fix because you can't fix them and start fixing the things you can...

Here is something I started to do a few years back and it has worked for me very well. Anytime you notice something you did wrong, at work or home, write it down in a notebook. Same goes for things you did extremely well. These could be the way you talked to someone, the way you did/didn't introduce yourself to someone, the way you handled a certain situation, a lost opportunity at work, etc etc. Once a week or monthtake some time to yourself and look over the entries in that notebook and analyze them. If you did something well, tell yourself why you did it well and how you could continue to do things like that well. If you did something wrong/bad look to see how you could have made it better or overall improved the situation. And see how you could use this advice you gave to yourself in future situations. If you do this and be an overall positive person your crooked teeth won't matter. If you don't get a job because of your crooked teeth you can walk away from that company knowing that they missed an opportunity, not you!


- Joe




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