ToTransferOrNot wrote: A'nold wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:And you're pulling this "very unlikely" bit from where?
You may have noticed, but there are far more lawyers than there are positions--both on the low and high end of the field. Or maybe you haven't noticed, and are simply another 0L spewing an opinion that is completely uninformed by the realities on the ground. People who are lucky enough to have a job in the first instance aren't in any position to be arguing about things like wages. 40k/year > no job.
But c'mon man, top 20% at a t30 school 10 YEARS OUT making 60k in NYC? Even an extreme pessimist cannot believe that this person is at all good at what they do or that they are a real person. It is a JDU poster.
With respect, I know a person or two on JDU, though they don't post too often. These horror stories might not be fully representative, but they aren't entirely inaccurate, either. People don't see to understand just how limited upward mobility can be in this profession if you miss the biglaw boat and don't have the business (notice, not legal) acumen to start your own firm. There really isn't much but table scraps left at that point.
Look, there is a lot more to it than just "business acumen." There is an old saying in law that addresses the fact that CIRCUMSTANCES are extremely important in each case and that these circumstances are not changeable: "Good facts make good lawyers." It means that the facts of the case are the most important factor in determining which side will win. And no matter how good a lawyer you are, those facts are not going to change.
This general idea is also applicable to the question of whether a law school grad with no biglaw job can succeed. This "business acumen" mantra that you invoke is a very simplistic and inaccurate take on things. The most important factors in success in the success of a new law school grad with no biglaw job offer are factors that are BEYOND THE CONTROL of that law school grad. Factors like circumstances--how attractive and personable that grad is. How they look in a suit. And most importantly, where they live and where their extended family and friends live. If your extended family lives in an area near law schools that crank out hundreds of new law school grads annually, then NOTHING is going to help.
Oh, you say, they just need to move to where the lawyers aren't. Got news for ya, pumpkin--aint no such place. Law has actually been saturated for decades. Everywhere in America.
The law schools have been lying about the success of their graduates for many many decades. Yeah, you can even find a book written approximately 80 years ago that says just that.
And here's another thing for you: with no biglaw job, most law school grads have to depend on their extended family and friends for referrals. You see, advertising in law doesn't really work. Not for situations where the client has to put up a substantial retainer.
Anyway, I am sure with all your worldly experience that you have, you know better.