scribelaw wrote:Aberzombie1892 wrote:Renzo wrote:Aberzombie1892 wrote:I noticed one student mentioned he did not have any ties to NYC.
In any given situation, if there are two students, A and B, and A has ties to a market (but with lower grades than B) and B does not, A always wins (barring extreme connections - family friend type).
There are a few exceptions, but you get the general idea.
This doesn't really apply in NYC. Everyone in New York just assumes that everyone wants to live there. It's the most self-important city on the planet.
In the past I would agree completely.
I agree that people assume people in law school in New York would like to stay.
I'm just saying that:
Kid A has ties
Kid B does not
Kid A wins (flawless victory).
It is a little more complicated from that, but from what I have personally experienced what I have heard from students from other schools, it seems right.
It would lend an answer to why students who attend schools that feed into markets outside that state are generally decimated (Wash U and Notre Dame seem to have the most said about them).
It simply seems as though a student with ties to Chicago who attends any of those schools would have a massive advantage over a his/her classmates that do not.
Put yourself in the shoes of a hiring partner. If everything was completely equal (which it never is - but it can be close enough), would you hire a kid with ties or a kid without?
Not seeing this at all.
Maybe in a small market, where firms have a complex about taking on someone from a T10 school or whatever and worrying they'll bolt for a big city firm.
But in top markets -- Chicago, DC, New York -- they're going to take the students from the top schools, with the best grades, who they like the best.
There's an interview portion in Law School Confidential about this. The author interviewed a hiring partner from Ropes Gray who said he didn't care at all about local ties, which he indicated is typical of big firms, while a hiring partner from a small New Hampshire firm pretty much said he required a New England connection.
I think Renzo had it right. Out of my OCI interviews NYC offices were pretty much the only places that didn't ask about ties at all. Chicago asked, and LA asked even more (probably because I have no ties to the latter).
Anyway, the kid not having ties to NYC statement doesn't make a lot of sense considering he went to NYU (which is located in NYC).