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NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby avacado111 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:27 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHha6fYzhY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xHbMHh9XDk

this if from abovethelaw.com...

the full post is:

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Wow... the econ. sucks.

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby avacado111 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:44 pm

oops... maybe I posted this in the wrong division... should I have posted this on the lounge?

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby Kobe_Teeth » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:45 pm

What's a Co-League?

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby rando » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:47 pm

UT & NYU= some very intelligent people doing some very stupid things

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby dbt » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:48 pm

meh. You're always going to find kids that didn't get jobs/got the shaft. My guess is they either didn't do too well academically or just unfortunately bid on the wrong firm. It's a risk we all take. I don't think it's the norm, by any stretch of the imagination, at NYU.

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Postby avacado111 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:04 pm

dbt wrote:meh. You're always going to find kids that didn't get jobs/got the shaft. My guess is they either didn't do too well academically or just unfortunately bid on the wrong firm. It's a risk we all take. I don't think it's the norm, by any stretch of the imagination, at NYU.


I kind of agree with this.... but one person on the video has been searching for a job for about a year.

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby dbt » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:18 pm

avacado111 wrote:
dbt wrote:meh. You're always going to find kids that didn't get jobs/got the shaft. My guess is they either didn't do too well academically or just unfortunately bid on the wrong firm. It's a risk we all take. I don't think it's the norm, by any stretch of the imagination, at NYU.


I kind of agree with this.... but one person on the video has been searching for a job for about a year.


yea I didn't really watch much of the video so I don't know. I think common knowledge at this point is that if you got no-offered or were let go early from a firm you are kinda out in the cold. Which is awful, but I don't think it's particular to NYU, and I doubt I'm going out on a limb if I said that Harvard students are having the same problems.

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Postby Aberzombie1892 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:23 pm

I noticed one student mentioned he did not have any ties to NYC.

In any given situation, if there are two students, A and B, and A has ties to a market (but with lower grades than B) and B does not, A always wins (barring extreme connections - family friend type).

There are a few exceptions, but you get the general idea.

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Postby Renzo » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:36 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:I noticed one student mentioned he did not have any ties to NYC.

In any given situation, if there are two students, A and B, and A has ties to a market (but with lower grades than B) and B does not, A always wins (barring extreme connections - family friend type).

There are a few exceptions, but you get the general idea.

This doesn't really apply in NYC. Everyone in New York just assumes that everyone wants to live there. It's the most self-important city on the planet.

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Postby underdawg » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:15 am

Renzo wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:I noticed one student mentioned he did not have any ties to NYC.

In any given situation, if there are two students, A and B, and A has ties to a market (but with lower grades than B) and B does not, A always wins (barring extreme connections - family friend type).

There are a few exceptions, but you get the general idea.

This doesn't really apply in NYC. Everyone in New York just assumes that everyone wants to live there. It's the most self-important city on the planet.

better than ca places not letting outsiders in lol

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Postby Renzo » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:17 am

underdawg wrote:
Renzo wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:I noticed one student mentioned he did not have any ties to NYC.

In any given situation, if there are two students, A and B, and A has ties to a market (but with lower grades than B) and B does not, A always wins (barring extreme connections - family friend type).

There are a few exceptions, but you get the general idea.

This doesn't really apply in NYC. Everyone in New York just assumes that everyone wants to live there. It's the most self-important city on the planet.

better than ca places not letting outsiders in lol

I think it's actually that CA firms are constantly getting burned by students taking a callback just to get a free vacation in the sun.

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby underdawg » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:20 am

maybe they're overcompensating now

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby BetterCallSaul » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:33 am

the interview subjects seemed nice enough, but oh my god I want to strangle this Chuck character

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Postby Renzo » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:40 am

underdawg wrote:maybe they're overcompensating now

Yeah, that's what I mean. Once bitten twice shy.

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby wiseowl » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:26 am

Chuck has created quite a reputation for himself. Hope he likes this filmmaking gig because that's all he's going to get.

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Postby Renzo » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:14 am

wiseowl wrote:Chuck has created quite a reputation for himself. Hope he likes this filmmaking gig because that's all he's going to get.

I met chuck at an alumni lunch a few months ago. He was a networking mofo. I wouldn't have taken him for the group action, make a documentary type.

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Postby Unemployed » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:42 pm

What I am wondering is... Is that Kurama? Was he a self-hating NYU 3L all along? :lol:

What an egomaniac. Read the threatening letter he sent to the Student Bar Association. It's priceless.

"I’ve also signed up to be on the class gift committee so I can use my legendary fund raising skills to make this school rich. However, on the flip side (if you pull out of this party), I will now be NYU Law’s worst critic and make sure the school drops to 20 on the U.S. News ranking"

"You really want to talk to Revesz and your board before you do anything, as they will not forgive if you make the mistake of trying to butt heads with me."

"By the way Dean Revesz, by virtue of your age, you should that people like me ALWAYS end up rich and famous, thus NYU Law does not want to get on my bad side now"

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:03 pm

Renzo wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:I noticed one student mentioned he did not have any ties to NYC.

In any given situation, if there are two students, A and B, and A has ties to a market (but with lower grades than B) and B does not, A always wins (barring extreme connections - family friend type).

There are a few exceptions, but you get the general idea.

This doesn't really apply in NYC. Everyone in New York just assumes that everyone wants to live there. It's the most self-important city on the planet.


In the past I would agree completely.

I agree that people assume people in law school in New York would like to stay.

I'm just saying that:

Kid A has ties
Kid B does not

Kid A wins (flawless victory).

It is a little more complicated from that, but from what I have personally experienced what I have heard from students from other schools, it seems right.

It would lend an answer to why students who attend schools that feed into markets outside that state are generally decimated (Wash U and Notre Dame seem to have the most said about them).

It simply seems as though a student with ties to Chicago who attends any of those schools would have a massive advantage over a his/her classmates that do not.

Put yourself in the shoes of a hiring partner. If everything was completely equal (which it never is - but it can be close enough), would you hire a kid with ties or a kid without?

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby scribelaw » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:10 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
Renzo wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:I noticed one student mentioned he did not have any ties to NYC.

In any given situation, if there are two students, A and B, and A has ties to a market (but with lower grades than B) and B does not, A always wins (barring extreme connections - family friend type).

There are a few exceptions, but you get the general idea.

This doesn't really apply in NYC. Everyone in New York just assumes that everyone wants to live there. It's the most self-important city on the planet.


In the past I would agree completely.

I agree that people assume people in law school in New York would like to stay.

I'm just saying that:

Kid A has ties
Kid B does not

Kid A wins (flawless victory).

It is a little more complicated from that, but from what I have personally experienced what I have heard from students from other schools, it seems right.

It would lend an answer to why students who attend schools that feed into markets outside that state are generally decimated (Wash U and Notre Dame seem to have the most said about them).

It simply seems as though a student with ties to Chicago who attends any of those schools would have a massive advantage over a his/her classmates that do not.

Put yourself in the shoes of a hiring partner. If everything was completely equal (which it never is - but it can be close enough), would you hire a kid with ties or a kid without?


Not seeing this at all.

Maybe in a small market, where firms have a complex about taking on someone from a T10 school or whatever and worrying they'll bolt for a big city firm.

But in top markets -- Chicago, DC, New York -- they're going to take the students from the top schools, with the best grades, who they like the best.

There's an interview portion in Law School Confidential about this. The author interviewed a hiring partner from Ropes Gray who said he didn't care at all about local ties, which he indicated is typical of big firms, while a hiring partner from a small New Hampshire firm pretty much said he required a New England connection.

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Postby miamiman » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:13 pm

People like this chuck are a black eye for the entire profession. I sincerely hope MB rescinds his offer and gives it to some deserving candidate.

I can't watch this video or read his email with an open mind. Fuck this kid.

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby FrankReynolds » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:29 pm

This dude is in my class but I don't recall him ever speaking.

Good lord is he a loony toon.

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby ScaredWorkedBored » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:49 pm

Renzo wrote:I think it's actually that CA firms are constantly getting burned by students taking a callback just to get a free vacation in the sun.


I personally know three people who did this. Only one was even semi-considering the firm before the trip.

And you don't need ties for DC or a global alpha city market - NYC/CHI/LA. LA with the proviso of the above callback abuse. It's all about the money and these are normally considered good places to live for young professionals.

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Postby RVP11 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:12 pm

I always thought the major market firms didn't care about ties as much because most of them are (still) heavily leveraged and are counting on associates jumping ship after 2-5 years anyway. Whereas many smaller market firms are legitimately looking for partner potential, and therefore personality, fit, and ties matter more, and grades matter slightly less.

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Re: NYU 3L's can't get jobs... video about it

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:31 pm

This clown is a terrible writer - anyone read the letter he wrote to protest the cancellation of his party? I don't think he is fit to be a lawyer in the first place. I hope he gets a reality show at some point, though. He would work really well in that environment.




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