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Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby acdisagod » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:42 pm

Assuming you go to a lower top 14

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby chadxviii » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:43 pm

3.5+ gpa and top 10% ranking

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby acdisagod » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:45 pm

Oh, and I was looking at some firms on NALP. It seems they higher far more 2Ls than 1Ls. Is this generally the case?

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby starstruck393 » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:48 pm

acdisagod wrote:Oh, and I was looking at some firms on NALP. It seems they higher far more 2Ls than 1Ls. Is this generally the case?


Yes, always. That's why it's so tough to get 1L SA positions, because they're mostly for 2L's.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby acdisagod » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:51 pm

And the more I look through it, the bleeker the prospects. Firms that hired 16 1l's in 2008 are now hiring 8 firms that were hiring 2 are now hiring 0.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby thesealocust » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:04 pm

edit: never mind
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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby ScaredWorkedBored » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:58 pm

acdisagod wrote:And the more I look through it, the bleeker the prospects. Firms that hired 16 1l's in 2008 are now hiring 8 firms that were hiring 2 are now hiring 0.


You also need to remember that some (most?) of those will be diversity clerkships & similar programs. Others will be arrangements with connections.

Basically your odds of getting a 1L SA position through general interviewing are between microscopic and nonexistent. That was a boom creature that there was never any real reason for.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby RVP11 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:35 pm

thesealocust wrote:
acdisagod wrote:And the more I look through it, the bleeker the prospects. Firms that hired 16 1l's in 2008 are now hiring 8 firms that were hiring 2 are now hiring 0.


Assuming T14:

In a good year 80%+ of 2Ls land summer associate gigs that become permanent jobs. This happens through a massive on campus interview before their second year of law school begins.

In a good year ~15% of 1Ls land summer associate gigs. It's not impossible for permenant job offers to arrive, but it is rare. These jobs tend to come from resume mass mailings, personal connections, looking to smaller markets (which might otherwise fail to get any 2Ls), and/or absolutely stellar grades.

Obviously this year it's all much worse. But 1L summer associate positions aren't / weren't just a matter of taking the best grades. I know people who got 1L SA jobs before grades came out in years past, it depends/depended on connections/prior experience.


A few years ago it was ~30% of UVA 1Ls landing firm gigs.

This summer I'd bet it's more like 5% to 10%.

Definitely +1 to the grades not being a huge part of it. I haven't gotten any interviews in my home secondary market despite strong grades. I know someone with lower grades who has a 1L SA in a big market. I know someone else with lower grades who had several interviews before and after grades came out.

I would guess that, for getting a 1L SA, the strength of your resume and the markets you target are way more important than your grades.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby TTT-LS » Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:46 pm

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby Corsair » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:59 pm

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby jayn3 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:07 pm

Corsair wrote:
acdisagod wrote:Oh, and I was looking at some firms on NALP. It seems they higher far more 2Ls than 1Ls. Is this generally the case?


I'm generally not a grammar Nazi, but this one bothers me for some reason.

"Hire."


i'm generally not a semantics nazi, but this one bothers me:

"spelling."



(sorry)

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby adora » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:12 pm

jayn3 wrote:
Corsair wrote:
acdisagod wrote:Oh, and I was looking at some firms on NALP. It seems they higher far more 2Ls than 1Ls. Is this generally the case?


I'm generally not a grammar Nazi, but this one bothers me for some reason.

"Hire."


i'm generally not a semantics nazi, but this one bothers me:

"spelling."



(sorry)



Hahahahahaha

Yes.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby Renzo » Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:36 pm

jayn3 wrote:
Corsair wrote:
acdisagod wrote:Oh, and I was looking at some firms on NALP. It seems they higher far more 2Ls than 1Ls. Is this generally the case?


I'm generally not a grammar Nazi, but this one bothers me for some reason.

"Hire."


i'm generally not a semantics nazi, but this one bothers me:

"spelling."



(sorry)

Nice try, but the spelling of "higher" is correct. It's usage is not, ergo grammar.

Oh, and insert capitalization-Nazi meme here.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby rayiner » Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:44 pm

TTT-LS wrote:I was a biglaw 1L SA in 2008 (pre-ITE). While one of the interviews I got was a direct result of networking/connections/prior work experience, several others seemed to be based on my resume *and* some pretty sick fall 1L grades. Grades definitely played a role with one of the big Chicago firms that invited me for an interview, for instance.

More generally, I think about 25 to 30% of Northwestern 1Ls used to get paid biglaw back in the boom years. Nowadays, that number must be closer to 5% to 10%.


We were quoted 8% for summer 2009.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby jayn3 » Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:04 pm

Renzo wrote:Nice try, but the spelling of "higher" is correct. It's usage is not, ergo grammar.

Oh, and insert capitalization-Nazi meme here.


um....it's still not grammar. i would probably argue that we're both wrong, and tcr is "usage."

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby Aeroplane » Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:05 pm

rayiner wrote:
TTT-LS wrote:I was a biglaw 1L SA in 2008 (pre-ITE). While one of the interviews I got was a direct result of networking/connections/prior work experience, several others seemed to be based on my resume *and* some pretty sick fall 1L grades. Grades definitely played a role with one of the big Chicago firms that invited me for an interview, for instance.

More generally, I think about 25 to 30% of Northwestern 1Ls used to get paid biglaw back in the boom years. Nowadays, that number must be closer to 5% to 10%.


We were quoted 8% for summer 2009.

At Michigan it was 16% at "law firms" in summer of 2009, but there's no separate "biglaw" breakout.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby TTT-LS » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:32 pm

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby thesealocust » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:42 pm

edit: never mind
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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby MF248 » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:43 pm

Top 5% at Princeton Law should do.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby McNabb » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:48 pm

For URMs I know that 1L firm jobs are very doable--even in this economy. I know an AA male who attends one of MBVP and is well below median who landed a top firm job in the Texas market, with no ties and straight from undergrad.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby buddyblack » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:51 pm

MF248 wrote:Top 5% at Princeton Law should do.


That's really hard to get though...

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby TTT-LS » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:57 pm

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby Kohinoor » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:01 pm

McNabb wrote:For URMs I know that 1L firm jobs are very doable--even in this economy. I know an AA male who attends one of MBVP and is well below median who landed a top firm job in the Texas market, with no ties and straight from undergrad.
I know of an AA male at MVPBDNGC who got his 1L gig before grades came out. :evil:

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby Aeroplane » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:05 pm

TTT-LS wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
OP should have a poll: Which is more mythical, the big firm 1L summer associateship ITE or the lawyer who practices 'international law'?

I'd actually guess that there are, amazingly enough, more attorneys who practice "international law" than there are 1L SAs this year. But yeah, both are essentially about as common as unicorns/bigfoot.

Depends on what you mean by "big". If that means V100 in NY/DC/Chi, then I agree that 1L SA's are very rare. If it just means NLJ250 or firms paying local market rates, then I don't think it's that rare. A T14 student w/ties to a smaller market has a realistic, if not terrific, shot at a 1L SA. In many cases, even before grades come out.

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Re: Class rank needed to land $3,000 a week 1L job

Postby thesealocust » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:12 pm

edit: never mind
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