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Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:17 am
by Samara
Okay, yeah, after more analysis, the complete lack of a GPA floor bumps IU-B into the green. Thanks for the input guys.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:47 am
by Samara
Updated with GPA floors and rating tweaks.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:52 am
by bk1
Samara wrote:Updated with GPA floors and rating tweaks.


Valuable addition.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:47 am
by Bumi
Another tweak: I'd switch Wash U to [url="http://washu.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1011/?whichCycle=1011"]no GPA floor.[/url]

Again, great work on this thing and no disrespect intended.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:18 pm
by Samara
Bumi wrote:Another tweak: I'd switch Wash U to url="http://washu.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1011/?whichCycle=1011"]no GPA floor.[/url]

Again, great work on this thing and no disrespect intended.

Thanks for the input! If you look at past years, people below 2.8 were much more likely to get waitlisted. That's why I put 2.8/soft floor.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:11 pm
by thisisme
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Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:31 pm
by Pocahontas
Should I reach my target score, I'll be an extreme splitter as well. Damn SEC sports! Big thanks for the information!

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:15 pm
by santaclara12
What are the thoughts on ED? I'ma k-jd, 3.5, 170 (goal LSAT but getting there). Is NYU worthless? What are the T14s most likely as a reach for ED?

Thanks!

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:55 pm
by Samara
santaclara12 wrote:What are the thoughts on ED? I'ma k-jd, 3.5, 170 (goal LSAT but getting there). Is NYU worthless? What are the T14s most likely as a reach for ED?

Thanks!

You're below both 25ths at NYU, with no WE, so unless you have some sort of really compelling soft, I think it's a waste. Virginia's ED is famous for having the biggest boost and you're a prime candidate since their GPA 25th is 3.51 and LSAT median is 170. Come back with a real score though, because even one or two points over or under 170 can make a big difference.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:10 pm
by SisterRayVU
Thank you very much for this :) although I'll probably have to knock off Cornell from schools I can apply to due to GPA :(

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:13 pm
by Samara
SisterRayVU wrote:Thank you very much for this :) although I'll probably have to knock off Cornell from schools I can apply to due to GPA :(

What's your GPA? It may still be worth the app; Cornell has a record of reaching below their floor here and there.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:40 pm
by SisterRayVU
Samara wrote:
SisterRayVU wrote:Thank you very much for this :) although I'll probably have to knock off Cornell from schools I can apply to due to GPA :(

What's your GPA? It may still be worth the app; Cornell has a record of reaching below their floor here and there.


3.18 D:

Hopefully decent work experience and internship with a Congressional office and campaign for 2+ years + everything else will help a bit for other schools. Looking towards Georgetown, Fordham, UVA, NU, and GW to apply to, not necessarily in that order. Should I write any of them off? My plan atm was to ED UVA and EA Cornell since I really have nothing to lose except a few dollars, and then ED Georgetown etc etc and apply early to the rest.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:37 am
by uofrhopefull
Thank you so much for starting this thread!

As a non-traditional splitter it's good to know there are quite a few of us in the same boat.

I wish I had more options for applying, but I'm confined to three schools that are close, and with my split it looks like I'll end up at U of Richmond.

From what I can see at LSN it looks like they're not only pretty splitter friendly, but they offer some schollys to us who managed to have a year of college blow up their entire GPA

Also, I'm a 2.78 lsdas (2.94) with a 172.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:33 pm
by Samara
uofrhopefull wrote:Thank you so much for starting this thread!

As a non-traditional splitter it's good to know there are quite a few of us in the same boat.

I wish I had more options for applying, but I'm confined to three schools that are close, and with my split it looks like I'll end up at U of Richmond.

From what I can see at LSN it looks like they're not only pretty splitter friendly, but they offer some schollys to us who managed to have a year of college blow up their entire GPA

Also, I'm a 2.78 lsdas (2.94) with a 172.

Why are you limiting yourself to Richmond? I assume you need to stay in Virginia? With those numbers, I would ED to UVa unless you're worried about paying sticker. Non-trads are a bit unpredictable, so I'd say UVa is worth the app. You also have a good shot at GULC and a great shot at GW. (GW also has that full-ride ED program if you're worried about debt.) You're in at W&L and George Mason for schools that are a little closer to Richmond.

I haven't seen much data on <T1 schools, but I would imagine that with a 172, Richmond would throw money at you like crazy. What are the other schools you are considering?

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:35 pm
by JamMasterJ
Samara wrote:
uofrhopefull wrote:Thank you so much for starting this thread!

As a non-traditional splitter it's good to know there are quite a few of us in the same boat.

I wish I had more options for applying, but I'm confined to three schools that are close, and with my split it looks like I'll end up at U of Richmond.

From what I can see at LSN it looks like they're not only pretty splitter friendly, but they offer some schollys to us who managed to have a year of college blow up their entire GPA

Also, I'm a 2.78 lsdas (2.94) with a 172.

Why are you limiting yourself to Richmond? I assume you need to stay in Virginia? With those numbers, I would ED to UVa unless you're worried about paying sticker. Non-trads are a bit unpredictable, so I'd say UVa is worth the app. You also have a good shot at GULC and a great shot at GW. (GW also has that full-ride ED program if you're worried about debt.) You're in at W&L and George Mason for schools that are a little closer to Richmond.

I haven't seen much data on <T1 schools, but I would imagine that with a 172, Richmond would throw money at you like crazy. What are the other schools you are considering?

GW ED won't work with the GPA, but yeah, you need to be aiming higher than Richmond

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:45 pm
by Robespierre
So, Samara, what are your thoughts on how splitters will fare in the upcoming cycle, assuming the number of applications is down again (as they will be **IF** the number of LSATs taken is any guide)?

I mean, applications were down for the cycle just completed, but it was no boon for splitters as far as I know.

Thoughts welcome; thanks.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:46 pm
by Samara
Robespierre wrote:So, Samara, what are your thoughts on how splitters will fare in the upcoming cycle, assuming the number of applications is down again (as they will be **IF** the number of LSATs taken is any guide)?

I mean, applications were down for the cycle just completed, but it was no boon for splitters as far as I know.

Thoughts welcome; thanks.

It could misplaced optimism, but I see this as a good year for splitters. Applications should be down again. There seems to be more awareness of how tough the legal market is right now, which should help drive down applications.

Last cycle, we saw decreased applications and steady medians, but pretty much every school I've heard about decreased their class sizes significantly, which helped them maintained medians without taking splitters. I think it's unlikely they will decrease class size again. Some have even said their size will be going back up. If all this turns out to be true, we should see a strong cycle for splitters.

ETA: I was just checking out the new medians thread and GPA medians were down or basically even pretty much across the board, even considering a lot of class size reduction. Only IU-B and UC-Davis increased their LSAT medians. I think this cycle looks good.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:35 pm
by uofrhopefull
Samara wrote:
uofrhopefull wrote:Thank you so much for starting this thread!

As a non-traditional splitter it's good to know there are quite a few of us in the same boat.

I wish I had more options for applying, but I'm confined to three schools that are close, and with my split it looks like I'll end up at U of Richmond.

From what I can see at LSN it looks like they're not only pretty splitter friendly, but they offer some schollys to us who managed to have a year of college blow up their entire GPA

Also, I'm a 2.78 lsdas (2.94) with a 172.

Why are you limiting yourself to Richmond? I assume you need to stay in Virginia? With those numbers, I would ED to UVa unless you're worried about paying sticker. Non-trads are a bit unpredictable, so I'd say UVa is worth the app. You also have a good shot at GULC and a great shot at GW. (GW also has that full-ride ED program if you're worried about debt.) You're in at W&L and George Mason for schools that are a little closer to Richmond.

I haven't seen much data on <T1 schools, but I would imagine that with a 172, Richmond would throw money at you like crazy. What are the other schools you are considering?


I'm hoping I end up with the JM Scholarship at Richmond, but we will see. I'm going to ED to UVA and RD to William & Mary. I feel like my work experience will definitely help, one of my LORs is from a former Atty General of Virginia.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:31 pm
by Curious1
Super helpful! Thanks so much.

I guess I'm technically a splitter, and my GPA is just a hair (.01) below the Harvard "floor". Fingers crossed that the floor is carpeted and can sink a little.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:35 am
by Samara
Curious1 wrote:Super helpful! Thanks so much.

I guess I'm technically a splitter, and my GPA is just a hair (.01) below the Harvard "floor". Fingers crossed that the floor is carpeted and can sink a little.

Definitely. I'd say Harvard has a softer floor than YSCC and probably N. Their large class size helps make that floor permeable. Good luck!

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:15 pm
by Robespierre
Samara, please take another look at the BU numbers. I think you've got the LSAT 75th and 50th transposed, and the GPA Range doesn't look right.

Thanks again for the awesome guide and chart. Big splitter here, so you'll be hearing from me more.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:50 pm
by minnbills
What do you think GW is looking for in their ED candidates? I'm guessing only people above both medians?

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:19 pm
by Samara
Robespierre wrote:Samara, please take another look at the BU numbers. I think you've got the LSAT 75th and 50th transposed, and the GPA Range doesn't look right.

Thanks again for the awesome guide and chart. Big splitter here, so you'll be hearing from me more.

Thanks catching that. I'll probably wait for updated cycle info to be released and post an update all at once.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:25 pm
by Samara
minnbills wrote:What do you think GW is looking for in their ED candidates? I'm guessing only people above both medians?

There's very little LSN data on this, so it's hard to say for sure, but from what I can tell, to get the ED scholarship you need to be above both medians and at or above at least one of the 75ths. It looks like they give out only a handful, so only exceptionally-qualified students are getting them. The idea of the full-ride ED is to poach applicants that would otherwise have a lot of incentive to go to a higher-ranked school.

Re: How to be a Successful Splitter

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:33 am
by thelawyler
This is really useful. Thanks for making it.