i finished getting to maybe and now im even more excited for the intro to the study of law bookpammy1985 wrote:Me toooooo!!!! I'm so excited! I just got Getting to Maybe and I've never been happier reading a boring book!ZXCVBNM wrote:withdrew today from gulc wl! felt great!!!! can't wait for school in august!
really?????geoanthem wrote:I believe the intro to study of law is not required to be read before classes start. my understanding it was for legal process or whatever, while the book they send us is meant to be read before classes.ZXCVBNM wrote:thanks, there is another book they are mailing us right? we have to read that before orientation too?
who exactly is NYU kids?OperaSoprano wrote:goddamnit, I'm glad I waited to buy that book. Procrastination FTW. I miss you guys, though. We seriously need to figure out this bar night thing. Booyakasha has also volunteered to plan an August mixer for us, them, and the NYU kids. She claims we won't all want to kill each other.I told her I'd be down. Peaceful imbibing works for me.
i went there twice and both times it was closed, after NYU's bookstore experience, fordham bookstore friday 3pm closings annoyed me!!!silenziatori wrote:Is the bookstore nice? I've never been.the fledgling wrote:I walked over to the bookstore on my lunch hour and bought a copy of Introduction to the Study of Law Cases and Materials, 3rd Edition (Pammy, you *do* have the right book). Same exact price as Lexis ($45) but without shipping and handling, and I suppose tax was already included.
I'm getting hyped for school. Look forward to meeting all y'all.
According to the ASW, we'll have to complete the reading assignments for Intro to the Study of Law Case and Materials in August. The Legal Process syllabus should be posted by the end of this month, so reading now could be helpful but you don't *have* to. Fordham will send us Case of a Lifetime by the end of July and we have to finish reading it before Orientation.ascremer wrote:really?????geoanthem wrote:I believe the intro to study of law is not required to be read before classes start. my understanding it was for legal process or whatever, while the book they send us is meant to be read before classes.ZXCVBNM wrote:thanks, there is another book they are mailing us right? we have to read that before orientation too?
im in europe and wont be back till one day before orientation and im making my friends bf carry(!?) it from new jersey till here so i can finish it on time. if youre sure thats the case then im gonna keep the book in ny and bring three extra shirts or a pair of shoes in the same space ?!?!
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You'll meet everyone soon, lol. Just saw that you are traveling until orientation. We'll have to have another party in mid Augus, sometime before we all crack down and have no life.ascremer wrote:who exactly is NYU kids?OperaSoprano wrote:goddamnit, I'm glad I waited to buy that book. Procrastination FTW. I miss you guys, though. We seriously need to figure out this bar night thing. Booyakasha has also volunteered to plan an August mixer for us, them, and the NYU kids. She claims we won't all want to kill each other.
I feel like im not writing enough on this board, especially because im 7 hours ahead and because i dont really know anyone but the TLS nicknames. another reason i wish i were in the city!
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I'm at a party, being terribly antisocial, but I will definitely PM you tomorrow. I'm a PI and clerkship hopeful, too.jdny09 wrote:I just graduated from the Law School. I loved my time at Fordham, and I'm happy to answer any questions you might have; particularly anything related to public interest law, which is hopefully what I'll be doing after I finish my clerkship next year.
It definitely was not 5 days a week, 9-4. I believe I only had one class Monday morning, from like 9:30-11. Tuesdays we started a little later (11 or so), but we had 2 classes. Wednesday and Thursday were also long (1:20 min class in morning, 2 hour class in afternoon). Fridays were a little lighter with Legal Writing for an hour and a half or so and then another hour and a half class. Done before 1 I believe.frost wrote:hey jdny, thanks for dropping in! this is asking you to go back 3 years, but what was your 1L year schedule like? I'm intimidated by the admitted students book which says it's pretty much mon-fri 9-4. is it really such a rigid schedule and how much time were you devoting to studying outside of class hours?
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Both are pretty competitive in any economy. I think clerking is going to get tougher. Judges are going to have more people to choose from, and there's already been a big shift away from hiring clerks right out of law school. Particularly in NYC, many judges hire 2 or 3 clerks before 3Ls can even apply, so there just aren't many spots available. There's just a lot of chance and luck involved with the entire process. But, there are a some of judges who reliably hire virtually all their clerks from Fordham, and that will certainly continue.silenziatori wrote:jdny09, thanks for answering our questions!
I am also interested in public interest work, and am slightly concerned that this economy will make obtaining clerkships and public interest work in general much harder than it otherwise would be. What was your clerkship/job search experience like this year? How helpful was the PIRC in helping you with your job search?
Thanks!
As for favorite classes, I really liked a lot of the taught by adjuncts, particularly white-collar crime and death penalty. Fordham and other NYC schools really benefit from having actual lawyers teach classes during the evening, and I've found them just really interesting and really useful. Anything with Capra was great too. Least favorite, no question, corporations. Major drag. As far as first year, I actually liked civ pro and con law, and hated property with a passion.OperaSoprano wrote:Jdny09, would you tell us about your favorite and least favorite classes at Fordham? I am also interested in hearing about your search for summer jobs and internships, particularly if you went outside the traditional OCI model. It does seem like everyone with high enough grades wants to go through OCI. My understanding is that this process is mainly for firms' hiring needs. Did you find this to be the case? I am particularly interested in nonprofit work.
I'm worried about exams already... Were most of your first year exams closed book? Did you ever get take home exams? As a 2L and 3L, did you have classes that assigned final papers, instead?
Everyone talks about our school being NYC-centric. In your experience, does everyone want to stay here after graduation? I definitely do... I only hope our legal market recovers enough to permit it.
One last question, just because I'm curious; did you and your classmates go on TLS much? This site has helped me a ton, and I plan to return next year to assist other Fordham applicants.
Again, thank you so much!
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Hah, yeah some parts of the administration can be a little frustrating to work with. It's actually kind of endearing as they mean well, but sometimes just can't get their stuff together. I haven't had many problems, but I've heard of delays with financial aid/registration stuff. Nothing that was too much more than a minor hastle though.silenziatori wrote:What was your experience with Fordham's administration? A rising Fordham 2L had posted in another thread that he had major problems with the Financial Aid office not supplying him with some of his loan refund money.
Thanks so much! I feel better. I'm still nervous, I guess, about how I'll perform. It's so good to hear from a recent graduate...jdny09 wrote:As for favorite classes, I really liked a lot of the taught by adjuncts, particularly white-collar crime and death penalty. Fordham and other NYC schools really benefit from having actual lawyers teach classes during the evening, and I've found them just really interesting and really useful. Anything with Capra was great too. Least favorite, no question, corporations. Major drag. As far as first year, I actually liked civ pro and con law, and hated property with a passion.OperaSoprano wrote:Jdny09, would you tell us about your favorite and least favorite classes at Fordham? I am also interested in hearing about your search for summer jobs and internships, particularly if you went outside the traditional OCI model. It does seem like everyone with high enough grades wants to go through OCI. My understanding is that this process is mainly for firms' hiring needs. Did you find this to be the case? I am particularly interested in nonprofit work.
I'm worried about exams already... Were most of your first year exams closed book? Did you ever get take home exams? As a 2L and 3L, did you have classes that assigned final papers, instead?
Everyone talks about our school being NYC-centric. In your experience, does everyone want to stay here after graduation? I definitely do... I only hope our legal market recovers enough to permit it.
One last question, just because I'm curious; did you and your classmates go on TLS much? This site has helped me a ton, and I plan to return next year to assist other Fordham applicants.
Again, thank you so much!
Early interview week is almost entirely for firm hiring. OCI does continue into september and a lot of public sector employers interview. I think most people do OCI, even those interested in PI. Not everyone does -- I know a few people with amazing grades, law review, now doing COA clerkships who just didn't want to work for a firm and didn't sign up. But, they're certainly the exception.
1L year, maybe one or two exams were closed book, and the rest open note. None were take home. They really were not bad. You have to keep in mind that it's all relative, and even if the exam is damn near impossible (which was the case with property), it will still end okay because the prof has to give at least 40-50% of the class a B+ or better. 2L year, many classes have take homes and papers instead. Some don't have any exam (trial ad, other practice courses).
The school is NYC centric. People tend to come here because they want to end up in NYC. Some aren't, and the people I know who have wanted to end up elsewhere seem to do fine too, particularly if they want to stay on the East Coast.
As for TLS, I have no idea. I just found this site and it's a good way to procrastinate while I should be studying for the Bar.
I'll PM you with some profs. There's no GPA requirement to sign up at OCI. Also, there are many non-biglaw firms that come, so if you're interested in NJ, Conn., PA, etc you will get a lot more leeway with GPA. Unless it's changed, it's a 60/40 system where firms pick 60% of the students on their schedule and the other 40% are picked by rank in the lottery.OperaSoprano wrote:Thanks so much! I feel better. I'm still nervous, I guess, about how I'll perform. It's so good to hear from a recent graduate...jdny09 wrote:As for favorite classes, I really liked a lot of the taught by adjuncts, particularly white-collar crime and death penalty. Fordham and other NYC schools really benefit from having actual lawyers teach classes during the evening, and I've found them just really interesting and really useful. Anything with Capra was great too. Least favorite, no question, corporations. Major drag. As far as first year, I actually liked civ pro and con law, and hated property with a passion.OperaSoprano wrote:Jdny09, would you tell us about your favorite and least favorite classes at Fordham? I am also interested in hearing about your search for summer jobs and internships, particularly if you went outside the traditional OCI model. It does seem like everyone with high enough grades wants to go through OCI. My understanding is that this process is mainly for firms' hiring needs. Did you find this to be the case? I am particularly interested in nonprofit work.
I'm worried about exams already... Were most of your first year exams closed book? Did you ever get take home exams? As a 2L and 3L, did you have classes that assigned final papers, instead?
Everyone talks about our school being NYC-centric. In your experience, does everyone want to stay here after graduation? I definitely do... I only hope our legal market recovers enough to permit it.
One last question, just because I'm curious; did you and your classmates go on TLS much? This site has helped me a ton, and I plan to return next year to assist other Fordham applicants.
Again, thank you so much!
Early interview week is almost entirely for firm hiring. OCI does continue into september and a lot of public sector employers interview. I think most people do OCI, even those interested in PI. Not everyone does -- I know a few people with amazing grades, law review, now doing COA clerkships who just didn't want to work for a firm and didn't sign up. But, they're certainly the exception.
1L year, maybe one or two exams were closed book, and the rest open note. None were take home. They really were not bad. You have to keep in mind that it's all relative, and even if the exam is damn near impossible (which was the case with property), it will still end okay because the prof has to give at least 40-50% of the class a B+ or better. 2L year, many classes have take homes and papers instead. Some don't have any exam (trial ad, other practice courses).
The school is NYC centric. People tend to come here because they want to end up in NYC. Some aren't, and the people I know who have wanted to end up elsewhere seem to do fine too, particularly if they want to stay on the East Coast.
As for TLS, I have no idea. I just found this site and it's a good way to procrastinate while I should be studying for the Bar.
Are there any other professors you would specifically recommend? You can PM me if you don't want to post specifics here. I'm in frequent contact with my classmates to be.
I have mixed feelings about OCI, though I'll probably participate. Is there a GPA cutoff for signing up, or is it just individual employers who impose restrictions? It's safely in the future, so it's probably early to be worrying...
Evening classes FTW. I spent my last two years at FIT loading up on such classes, for the same reasons. My professors really were tireless, but they were also well connected. Did you feel that Fordham professors got to know students, and were willing to give advice outside the scope of class?
Anyway, congrats on your clerkship, and I wish you the very best on your bar prep. Are you taking BAR/BRI?
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Sure, feel free to PM me with any questions. As for work life balance, I found it suprisingly easy. 1L year is a lot of work, but it's manageable. You have plenty of time to piece it all together at the end of the semester, so I didn't find a need to go full steam all the time. Things get stressful when the short and long memos are due in fall, and when your brief is due in spring, but other than that you really do have a lot of free time, especially as you begin to get used to reading cases. I mean, the usual reading assignment is 15-30 pages. If you have 2 classes to read for, you're looking at no more than 3-4 hours max of work after you get the hang of things. And some days you'll only have 1 class. So, I found there to be plenty of time to work hard, keep a life outside of school, and also do some pulic interest org activities.the fledgling wrote:To echo silenziatori and OS (because I forgot earlier), congrats on the clerkship and good luck on the bar!
I would also be interested in a pm with the professors you recommend, and would it be alright if I pm'd you about your clinic experience?
For the thread: I'm also interested in hearing any advice you have on balancing law school and life. I know, this is a broad question, but you've done very well for yourself and seem happy with your law school experience, so your advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again
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