Snooker wrote:For all the hate GULC gets, and despite the fact that its career prospects are worse than UT/Vandy, it's never going to drop past #14. So long as GULC is the #14 school, the term T14 will have meaning. Every time someone asks what T14 means, USNews gets an advertisement. USNews would be foolish to let GULC's rank drop; that would destroy the internet mythology.
how are gulc's career prospects worse than UT/Vandy? i've always considered them as having a slight edge, a very expensive slight edge though
I'm not sure how bashing how some people interpret USNews was taken as implication that GULC is somehow a bad school. GULC is a great school in an enviable location and commands tremendous respect. Maybe suggesting that UT/Vandy might be a bit ahead of GULC?
UT/Vandy released their full employment stats sometime last year, iirc. Another poster on the forum posted a lengthy analysis that about 66% of UT/Vandy's classes had employment prospects for "market rate" jobs (six figures, clerkships, etc.), slightly ahead of GULC, which is a few percentage points lower based on all the available data. The bash against the T14 mentality is that if GULC and UT/Vandy aren't in the same league, there wouldn't be some years where UT/Vandy grads are ahead, and others where GULC is ahead.
I still think GULC is a bit better, but I think the legal market hasn't been as favorable for GULC as UT/Vandy, even in the years leading up to the recession. Lots of business trends could have impacted this. Houston firms have been gaining many more foreign energy clients looking to invest internationally recently, as well as arbitrate. The Original Design-Manufacture (ODM) business is also increasingly choosing Texas, such as with Foxconn's acquisition of HP's R&D facilities in Houston, which it is is now using to develop the Apple iPod.
With the recession, UT grads should be substantially ahead of GULC, just because it's bloody murder in Washington, while Texas law firms are either laying off a little bit (Locke Liddell) or not at all (Vinson and Elkins).
Just to make my intentions clear, this is not a bash against GULC, but justifies the position that the idea that there's a real barrier between the #14 and #15 schools is simply illusory. GULC/UT/Vandy are pretty much a mini-tier. But I don't see it in USNews' interests to let GULC slip past #14. It's good marketing, and like it or not, USNews' executives have a duty to shareholders, not to law students. This will probably be achieved through conservatism - avoid changing any factors in the rankings that cause that barrier to exist where it does.