Columbia Law School 2012!

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby takingmytime » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:49 pm

Frank wrote:
HugerThanSoup wrote:I got all of mine done in February as well.

In March, after I got offers from Michigan, Duke, and Cornell, I sent them a letter (e-mail) containing all of the offers (pdf) and wrote that I would need for them to make a similar offer if I was to attend. I also sent them NYU's offer when it came a few weeks ago.

They were really nice in their e-mail response and said that, although they don't match, it would be put into my file. When I got my finaid offer, there was a hand written response saying that they had taken my other offers into consideration and that they hoped I would join them next year.


ditto.


Me as well.

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby whyamidoingthis » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:14 am

takingmytime wrote:
Frank wrote:
HugerThanSoup wrote:I got all of mine done in February as well.

In March, after I got offers from Michigan, Duke, and Cornell, I sent them a letter (e-mail) containing all of the offers (pdf) and wrote that I would need for them to make a similar offer if I was to attend. I also sent them NYU's offer when it came a few weeks ago.

They were really nice in their e-mail response and said that, although they don't match, it would be put into my file. When I got my finaid offer, there was a hand written response saying that they had taken my other offers into consideration and that they hoped I would join them next year.


ditto.


Me as well.


this is interesting about the matching. something moderately unrelated that I've been wondering--if your financial circumstances change, you can't apply for need-based aid, say, your third year, can you?

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby onenotesamba » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:46 am

whyamidoingthis wrote:
takingmytime wrote:
Frank wrote:
HugerThanSoup wrote:I got all of mine done in February as well.

In March, after I got offers from Michigan, Duke, and Cornell, I sent them a letter (e-mail) containing all of the offers (pdf) and wrote that I would need for them to make a similar offer if I was to attend. I also sent them NYU's offer when it came a few weeks ago.

They were really nice in their e-mail response and said that, although they don't match, it would be put into my file. When I got my finaid offer, there was a hand written response saying that they had taken my other offers into consideration and that they hoped I would join them next year.


ditto.


Me as well.


this is interesting about the matching. something moderately unrelated that I've been wondering--if your financial circumstances change, you can't apply for need-based aid, say, your third year, can you?


I've actually asked schools this. The general consensus is that your financial aid usually only will go down from your original award. However, I'm sure schools would be flexible for extenuating circumstances - I have to think that once they accept you, they want you to succeed.

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby daisyduck » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:17 am

Frank wrote:
HugerThanSoup wrote:I got all of mine done in February as well.

In March, after I got offers from Michigan, Duke, and Cornell, I sent them a letter (e-mail) containing all of the offers (pdf) and wrote that I would need for them to make a similar offer if I was to attend. I also sent them NYU's offer when it came a few weeks ago.

They were really nice in their e-mail response and said that, although they don't match, it would be put into my file. When I got my finaid offer, there was a hand written response saying that they had taken my other offers into consideration and that they hoped I would join them next year.


ditto.

HugerThanSoup, Frank and anybody else that received this response, so did they "match" the awards? How big was a gap between Mich/Duke/Cornell offers and Columbia's? I have an offer from a school but it's not considered on par with Columbia so I didn't even bother telling them about it..

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby takingmytime » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:20 am

daisyduck wrote:
Frank wrote:
HugerThanSoup wrote:I got all of mine done in February as well.

In March, after I got offers from Michigan, Duke, and Cornell, I sent them a letter (e-mail) containing all of the offers (pdf) and wrote that I would need for them to make a similar offer if I was to attend. I also sent them NYU's offer when it came a few weeks ago.

They were really nice in their e-mail response and said that, although they don't match, it would be put into my file. When I got my finaid offer, there was a hand written response saying that they had taken my other offers into consideration and that they hoped I would join them next year.


ditto.

HugerThanSoup, Frank and anybody else that received this response, so did they "match" the awards? How big was a gap between Mich/Duke/Cornell offers and Columbia's? I have an offer from a school but it's not considered on par with Columbia so I didn't even bother telling them about it..


I had a couple of offers I sent to them (all in the CCNMVPB category + Duke). My CLS award was higher than all of the others.

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby onenotesamba » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:21 am

daisyduck wrote:
Frank wrote:
HugerThanSoup wrote:I got all of mine done in February as well.

In March, after I got offers from Michigan, Duke, and Cornell, I sent them a letter (e-mail) containing all of the offers (pdf) and wrote that I would need for them to make a similar offer if I was to attend. I also sent them NYU's offer when it came a few weeks ago.

They were really nice in their e-mail response and said that, although they don't match, it would be put into my file. When I got my finaid offer, there was a hand written response saying that they had taken my other offers into consideration and that they hoped I would join them next year.


ditto.

HugerThanSoup, Frank and anybody else that received this response, so did they "match" the awards? How big was a gap between Mich/Duke/Cornell offers and Columbia's? I have an offer from a school but it's not considered on par with Columbia so I didn't even bother telling them about it..


They quite nearly matched (but I also had the same scholarship amounts from Virginia and Penn that I had from the U of C). Anyway, my offer was incredibly generous and not expected.

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby Lem37 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:23 am

I really hope I get...well, anything from Columbia. Sent them my other offers in mid-March. The chatter on this board gives me hope, because I'm definitely not going to qualify for need-based.

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby huckabees » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:29 am

Wow, that's amazing that so many people had great grants from CLS!

Are all of you super-high LSAT scorers? It seemed like that was the case for at least one person...

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby onenotesamba » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:05 am

huckabees wrote:Wow, that's amazing that so many people had great grants from CLS!

Are all of you super-high LSAT scorers? It seemed like that was the case for at least one person...


Nope. But my GPA is above their 75% mark. Good luck to everyone still waiting!

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby HugerThanSoup » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:14 am

CLS gave me more than all the others (except for Michigan). Needless to say, I was surprised and was not at all expecting that much. (see profile for more details).

And yes, my LSAT is far above their 75th.

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby Lem37 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:17 am

HugerThanSoup wrote:CLS gave me more than all the others (except for Michigan). Needless to say, I was surprised and was not at all expecting that much. (see profile for more details).

And yes, my LSAT is far above their 75th.


Was some of it need-based, or do you suspect it was their combo need/matching-but-not-matching scholarship policy?

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby huckabees » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:26 am

Lem37 wrote:
HugerThanSoup wrote:CLS gave me more than all the others (except for Michigan). Needless to say, I was surprised and was not at all expecting that much. (see profile for more details).

And yes, my LSAT is far above their 75th.


Was some of it need-based, or do you suspect it was their combo need/matching-but-not-matching scholarship policy?


Yeah, I'm concerned about how much is need-based also.

I have several good offers from other schools that I WOULD take if CLS didn't give me something that is at least half to 2/3 of what the other schools offered, but I am not sure how "needy" I am compared to other applicants.

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby nycRadRead » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:39 am

On the topic of cash, my earlier post to another thread may be relevant:

A NYT Editorial last week by Adam Cohen was pretty striking. He posits this recession will remake the current legal landscape, especially affecting T-20 students and BigLaw prospects. Even BigLaw are laying off attorneys at a staggering rate and old, venerable firms are failing. No longer will first-year associates at top firms start at around $160,000; he suggests they may go down to as low as $100,000, where they were about 10 years ago.

To be sure a huge gap exists between private BigLaw practice and public sector jobs, which start new attorneys at anywhere from $40k-$60k a year. There wasn't always such a gap, and it will certainly shrink.

I would add (from what I've read from Alan Blinder and other econ/fed/finance types) that the breakneck growth in the financial sector we've seen over the past 10 years will never happen again, as investment banks like Morgan Stanley are now legally considered "banks", which subjects them to greater regulation and scrutiny. We can be sure hedge funds will also be regulated more closely. The days of leveraging 30 to 1 are over, as are the days of making a 30% return on capital. Greater regulation will obviously greatly decrease fat financial sector profits and therefore affect salaries for BigLaw attorneys of all sorts in the long-run as well.

So those on this forum who are attracted to law principally for the cash may want to rethink their law school plans. Especially since most of us will graduate with around $100k in debt, much of it from private loans carrying a ridiculous interest rate. And those that aren't should take a look at the realities of paying steep loan payments on a lower-than-anticipated salary.

Check out Cohen's article at: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/opini ... u4.html?em

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby Lem37 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:41 am

Ugh, no one cares, take it to the Recession thread on the Admissions forum. Now, back to how amazing CLS is...

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby SleekFire » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:48 am

So anybody get packages today?

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby SleekFire » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:50 am

nycRadRead wrote:On the topic of cash, my earlier post to another thread may be relevant:

A NYT Editorial last week by Adam Cohen was pretty striking. He posits this recession will remake the current legal landscape, especially affecting T-20 students and BigLaw prospects. Even BigLaw are laying off attorneys at a staggering rate and old, venerable firms are failing. No longer will first-year associates at top firms start at around $160,000; he suggests they may go down to as low as $100,000, where they were about 10 years ago.

To be sure a huge gap exists between private BigLaw practice and public sector jobs, which start new attorneys at anywhere from $40k-$60k a year. There wasn't always such a gap, and it will certainly shrink.

I would add (from what I've read from Alan Blinder and other econ/fed/finance types) that the breakneck growth in the financial sector we've seen over the past 10 years will never happen again, as investment banks like Morgan Stanley are now legally considered "banks", which subjects them to greater regulation and scrutiny. We can be sure hedge funds will also be regulated more closely. The days of leveraging 30 to 1 are over, as are the days of making a 30% return on capital. Greater regulation will obviously greatly decrease fat financial sector profits and therefore affect salaries for BigLaw attorneys of all sorts in the long-run as well.

So those on this forum who are attracted to law principally for the cash may want to rethink their law school plans. Especially since most of us will graduate with around $100k in debt, much of it from private loans carrying a ridiculous interest rate. And those that aren't should take a look at the realities of paying steep loan payments on a lower-than-anticipated salary.

Check out Cohen's article at: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/opini ... u4.html?em


Dude! Is there a thread you did not post this on?

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby Lem37 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:57 pm

Just got my FinAid package - 25K over 3 years! I know it's not as much as some of the other offers on here, but I'm so, so excited nonetheless!

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby daisyduck » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:21 pm

Lem37 wrote:Just got my FinAid package - 25K over 3 years! I know it's not as much as some of the other offers on here, but I'm so, so excited nonetheless!

Congrats. When did you apply (for FinAid)?

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby Lem37 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:21 pm

daisyduck wrote:
Lem37 wrote:Just got my FinAid package - 25K over 3 years! I know it's not as much as some of the other offers on here, but I'm so, so excited nonetheless!

Congrats. When did you apply (for FinAid)?


The last week of March. Like, two weeks ago.

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby SleekFire » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:42 pm

Does the package come in the mail or in Fed-Ex?

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby Lem37 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:44 pm

SleekFire wrote:Does the package come in the mail or in Fed-Ex?


Mail. It's not a literal package.
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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby SleekFire » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:45 pm

Thanks! You can ignore the PM now Lem... ;-)

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby MeTalkPrettyOneDay » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:56 pm

I waiting on CLS's Fin Aid response too. I hope they take my NYU offer seriously, cause I'm certainly considering the offer very seriously... but I prefer CLS to NYU.

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby facker09 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:50 pm

As my Duke offer is quickly EXPIRING (sad), I called them, and the lady said I should receive the letter "early this week." And I submitted my stuff March 19th...

I really hope I am getting more than 0. Good luck to everyone else!

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Re: Columbia Law School 2012!

Postby 06132010 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:19 pm

huckabees wrote:Wow, that's amazing that so many people had great grants from CLS!

Are all of you super-high LSAT scorers? It seemed like that was the case for at least one person...


175. idk if that's super-high, but based on my family's financial situation I shouldn't qualify for need-based aid, so 40K from Columbia was a nice surprise, especially after Chicago gave me nothing.




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