Michigan 2012

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby mr.undroppable » Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:45 pm

Lawlcat wrote:I'm not quite seeing the connection between talking about how a class was good because of a great professor and Asperger's. I can understand how "The prof was really nice and told a lot of jokes!" would be irrelevant, and not as good as something that lets you segue into your interests or strengths, but I'm similarly not quite grasping how this would "ruin the interview". When I hear "ruin the interview", I think more like, "Well, the problem with CivPro was that my prof was a Negroid."


That's because you are looking at an interview like having a discussion with a friend, it isn't. Nobody is dumb enough to say racist things in an interview, if that was the bar you have to pass to get hired the interviews would be a mere formality.

Put yourself in the partner's shoes. When you hear a kid say, "my favorite class was X because I really liked Y prof." The hiring partner will reach several conclusions, 1) this kid needs outside motivation to get into a subject because they aren't really passionate about the law, that sucks because they are going to get thrown into the deep end when they start at my firm without a lot of friendly hand holding. 2) this kid bases their enjoyment of assignments off of the disposition of the person doing the assigning, that's not good because I, the partner, can be a huge douchebag. 3) 90% of the time your best grade will be your favorite class, so the partner is going to look at your transcript and think you only like people who give you good grades and don't appreciate the stern taskmasters who are more critical of your work (like bosses who pay you money). Etc, etc. This isn't to say you can't bring up certain professors with recruiters who graduated recently from your school, this just isn't the best time to do it necessarily. There are always exceptions and if you are actually good at interviewing, and not just at making friends with peers, then saying you liked a prof wouldn't be a game changer because you would probably add details to make it an appropriate answer.

The point is that the question is a softball lobbed up for you to smash out of the park, why waste it by talking about a professor who nobody cares about when you can talk about your strengths, and bring the recruiter into a normal conversation with you, and make a solid impression?

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby Merriweather » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:47 pm

gee, i wonder who marigolds is.

fucking outrageous shearman trolling only comes from one person.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby Lawlcat » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:14 pm

So how do we view our classes for next semester?

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby tl » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:54 pm


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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby Lawlcat » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:34 am

tl wrote:http://cgi2.www.law.umich.edu/_ClassSchedule/ClassSchedule.asp?term=1770


Thanks!

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby 02082010 » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:10 pm

Anyone in here participating in the Urban Communities Clinic? If so, would you PM me and let me know. I have 2 questions I'd like to ask.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby Lawlcat » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:34 pm

So what do people think about taking a seminar or other course next term?

I've heard some seminars have pretty light workloads and are uncurved because they're so small. That sounds like it could be fun, useful, and GPA-friendly.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby j2d3 » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:45 pm

anyone in the JD/MSI program?

i'm very interested in Michigan because of this program with the school of information, as well as the highly rated CS department.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby just a girl » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:12 pm

Lawlcat wrote:So what do people think about taking a seminar or other course next term?

I've heard some seminars have pretty light workloads and are uncurved because they're so small. That sounds like it could be fun, useful, and GPA-friendly.


Any class at Michigan that's under 40 people is not required to be curved, even if not a seminar. Don't fall starters have a fairly limited range of classes they could take because of the maximum number of credits you're allowed to take? Also, I'm not so sure that taking a seminar or other course as a GPA booster is necessarily the best idea-you'll still have 3 doctrinal classes and your legal practice class, so even if the workload seems light, it's still an extra class on top of the workload you have this semester. If you don't have to take it, I wouldn't. I doubt you'll be at a competitive disadvantage if you don't.
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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby Alexandria » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:50 am

Also, while I'm sure such seminars exist, I haven't had a "light workload" one yet. The ones I've had have all had heavier reading loads (and much more expected participation) than other classes.

I would say DON'T TAKE AN ELECTIVE! We all had to take a second semester elective, and most of us hated it and wished we didn't have to. I think that feedback is why you now have the option not to. Be grateful.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby WhyBother? » Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:01 am

j2d3 wrote:anyone in the JD/MSI program?

i'm very interested in Michigan because of this program with the school of information, as well as the highly rated CS department.


I am! I am planning on just applying to the JD program for now, but I am definitely keeping that in the back of my mind.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby awesomepossum » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:36 pm

wait.....1Ls don't need to take an elective? goddamn!

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby Alexandria » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:23 pm

awesomepossum wrote:wait.....1Ls don't need to take an elective? goddamn!


Yeah, and if they do, it can only be 2 credits (or less, I guess)! (For others: Current 2Ls or 3Ls had to take an elective, and it had to be either 2 or 3 credits.)

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby awesomepossum » Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:20 pm

Alexandria wrote:
awesomepossum wrote:wait.....1Ls don't need to take an elective? goddamn!


Yeah, and if they do, it can only be 2 credits (or less, I guess)! (For others: Current 2Ls or 3Ls had to take an elective, and it had to be either 2 or 3 credits.)



I was actually pretty happy to take an elective. It was pretty easy and will reduce my future burden. If anyone wants to know of my magical elective, PM me.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby spencer26 » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:39 pm

Can anyone give me some advice about housing next year? I am trying to keep it under $700 per month, and looking for a quiet place (preferably my neighbors wouldn't have any Greek-lettered ping pong tables...)

Where do students who don't live in the Lawyers' Club live?

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby just a girl » Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:27 am

spencer26 wrote:Where do students who don't live in the Lawyers' Club live?


A lot of people from my section seem to be looking for houses together, primarily within a 5-10 minute walk of the law school. Kerrytown seems to be an attractive option, but it's too far away for what I would consider easily walkable in the dead of winter.

Are you looking for rent under 700 a month, or total housing costs under 700 a month? Unless you do shared housing I doubt you'll find a place including utilities for under 600 a month in walking distance of the school. If you don't mind the LC environment (aka being surrounded by other law students 24/7) you could always apply to Phid, which is really cheap.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby 06072010 » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:42 am

Who is excited for the culture show? ME!

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby FlightoftheEarls » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:12 pm

PKSebben wrote:Who is excited for the culture show? ME!

Hell yeah I am.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby vidhartha » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:30 pm

Good Luck to all with finals starting tomorrow! 8am prop final ... FML

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby Alexandria » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:48 pm

bwah

Taking my first one of the year tomorrow. Will be done next Thursday or Friday, depending on how things go with my ADR paper.

Good luck everyone!

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby vidhartha » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:17 pm

Alexandria wrote:bwah

Taking my first one of the year tomorrow. Will be done next Thursday or Friday, depending on how things go with my ADR paper.

Good luck everyone!


Nice, I will be done next Friday. Finishing up with Contracts, definitely scared of JJ's exam. How is ADR? I will be taking it next semester alone with about half the summer starters. Is there a lot of reading? Is there a series of papers or just one final paper? Thanks.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby Alexandria » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:53 am

I had JJ for Contracts! :) And it was my first law school exam. Good times.

ADR is good... the guy who teaches it is super nice and is a practitioner with lots of experience. You do tons of little exercises throughout the semester, and he wants classroom participation. The final paper is only like 30 to 40 percent of the grade. There is a decent amount of reading, but frankly most people skate by without doing much of it (at least the parts that are in the textbook)... mostly because he does assign a lot, but then a lot of it doesn't really get talked about or he talks about in lecture style, without calling on people. He definitely figured that out during the last week, which I felt bad about.

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby awesomepossum » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:25 am

Everybody show their EBB love!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oZ7--phXYI

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby Lawlcat » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:19 pm

EBB!

Anyone know how Miller tends to split the MC/essay weighting?

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Re: Michigan 2012

Postby awesomepossum » Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:07 pm

Lawlcat wrote:EBB!

Anyone know how Miller tends to split the MC/essay weighting?



apparently he does it on the fly. I don't REALLY understand it but what he says is that he grades both sections and looks at the curve and figures out what should be worth more. In other words he's more interested in the spread more than anything else.

In any case last year it was about 50/50




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