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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby GATORTIM » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:03 am

MTal wrote:
Always Credited wrote:Can't let this thread die...too much potential/future blackmail material here.


True, several people admitted to actually liking me. This could seriously jeopardize their future careers if word got out.


dont exaggerate

MTal wrote:I can't think of a better way than measuring everyone's wang.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby MTal » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:27 am

LOL, you're really asking for a beat-down now. Must have taken you at least a couple hours browsing through my over 1000+ posts to find that. Do you not type foolish things when you're drunk? Or is that how you intend to improve on your 157...by spending your evenings carousing through my posts from many months ago? It's better than nothing I suppose.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby ruleser » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:39 am

Well yesterday at work someone mentioned something - about lobbyists - man, I've been in the healthcare field for more than decade out advocating. So there's another op with a JD - go lobby, and with what's happening with health being moved in on by the feds, health advocating will be a career for years. Yes, I think lobbying could be cool, or being with corp/health system and being their personal advocate, etc.

The more I open my ears, the more possibilities I realize exist once you combine some experience with a JD...

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby General Tso » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:42 am

MTal wrote:LOL, you're really asking for a beat-down now. Must have taken you at least a couple hours browsing through my over 1000+ posts to find that. Do you not type foolish things when you're drunk? Or is that how you intend to improve on your 157...by spending your evenings carousing through my posts from many months ago? It's better than nothing I suppose.


I'd rather be a post-carouser than a wang-measurer

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby MTal » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:50 am

Just in case you missed it...

GATORTIM wrote:Adam & MTal

....bottom-line is this: I'm going to law school regardless,


Yeah we know.

"You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: LawSchool - LawSchool at all costs, LawSchool in spite of all terror, LawSchool however long and hard the road may be.” - GATORTIM

You're like a frikin modern day Churchill.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Bronte » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:52 am

MTal wrote:Just in case you missed it...

GATORTIM wrote:Adam & MTal

....bottom-line is this: I'm going to law school regardless,


Yeah we know.

"You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: LawSchool - LawSchool at all costs, LawSchool in spite of all terror, LawSchool however long and hard the road may be.” - GATORTIM

You're like a frikin modern day Churchill.


This is a law school forum...

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby GATORTIM » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:01 am

MTal wrote:LOL, you're really asking for a beat-down now. Must have taken you at least a couple hours browsing through my over 1000+ posts to find that. Do you not type foolish things when you're drunk? Or is that how you intend to improve on your 157...by spending your evenings carousing through my posts from many months ago? It's better than nothing I suppose.



haha...it only took about 70 seconds...

I just went to your very first posts to get an idea of your "views" prior to becoming the fabled MTal that seeks to rid the world of law school and prevent the financial meltdown that every OL will ultimately face.

edit: I am certainly guilty of drunk-posting, but c'mon...I am only hoping this was out of context or ave we discovered the reason u dropped out? Did you find your ultimate calling?

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby MTal » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:19 am

I wish, that would have been awesome. Haha.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Matthies » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:45 am

GATORTIM wrote:
MTal wrote:
Always Credited wrote:Can't let this thread die...too much potential/future blackmail material here.


True, several people admitted to actually liking me. This could seriously jeopardize their future careers if word got out.


dont exaggerate

MTal wrote:I can't think of a better way than measuring everyone's wang.


Wait did you take this out of context? If its an Mtal post it must have gone something like this: Wang size is an important consideration all you idiots are ignoring to your own peril. If you have a t14 sized wang then its pretty easy to get into BigPorn. But for all you TTT sized wangs out there you screwed. We all know there is no MidPorn so your destined to ShitPorn (literally). Therefore people would be wise to check their wang size before they go to porn school.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby MTal » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:51 am

Matthies wrote:
GATORTIM wrote:
MTal wrote:
Always Credited wrote:Can't let this thread die...too much potential/future blackmail material here.


True, several people admitted to actually liking me. This could seriously jeopardize their future careers if word got out.


dont exaggerate

MTal wrote:I can't think of a better way than measuring everyone's wang.


Wait did you take this out of context? If its an Mtal post it must have gone something like this: Wang size is an important consideration all you idiots are ignoring to your own peril. If you have a t14 sized wang then its pretty easy to get into BigPorn. But for all you TTT sized wangs out there you screwed. We all know there is no MidPorn so your destined to ShitPorn (literally). Therefore people would be wise to check their wang size before they go to porn school.


Not only that, but you need to have made Top 10 % at Porn school + Porn review if you want a chance at BigPorn.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Matthies » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:03 am

Those people clerk first for Hugh Hefner or Larry Flint then go into BigPorn

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby MTal » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:19 am

Matthies wrote:Those people clerk first for Hugh Hefner or Larry Flint then go into BigPorn


BigPorn has all the cushiest jobs too including M&A, (masturbation and asslicking) PI (Penile Insertion) and ID (Interracial dyking).

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby doinmybest » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:25 am

MTal which LS did you go to before deciding not to return for another year? Not trying to be nosey, just curious. PM me if you'd rather not say on here.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby OperaSoprano » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:00 pm

MTal wrote:Depression sucks, I've been there. (hard to believe right?) I guess you can't really understand it until you've actually experienced it. It's like a dark tunnel with no way out and the more you struggle the deeper in you get. But if/when you come out, you become wiser and able to see things more objectively. I realize now that no matter how shitty of a mistake you've made in the past, that won't stop you from finding at least 1 way to enjoy life.


Credited. I've been there too, though no one will believe it. I find that it certainly gives one perspective. In my case, it made me determined to enjoy every moment of whatever time I have left.

I will now set the record straight about my school's salary statistics. The $160k median salary comes from salary data reported by 87% of the class, so $160k wasn't quite Fordham's mean in 2008. (FTR, 87% is a pretty damn high response rate, although 100% would of course be better.) According to the NLJ, we placed 43.7% of that year's graduating class into NLJ 250 jobs. Now, not all NLJ 250 firms pay market, but since nearly all Fordham grads stay in the tri-state area for their first few years, most of these grads are probably at firms which pay at the higher end of the NLJ 250 payscale. This is simply a function of market and location. Rounding out the top half at Fordham last year were a modest number of clerks (probably both Federal and State-- don't know the breakdown).

Also, I would like to point out that my school is, in fact, a not for profit institution. I honestly don't know where you got the idea that reputable schools are for-profit. The vast majority are not, though they are certainly tuition dependent if they lack large endowments.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby MTal » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:18 pm

Not to be a jerk, but Fordham U is a private university, i.e. it wouldn't exist if it couldn't generate income for itself through tuition etc., unlike public universities which rely heavily on the states for their funding. That's why tuition at public schools is so much cheaper. If Fordham couldn't turn a profit, it wouldn't be able to exist.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Matthies » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:25 pm

MTal wrote:Not to be a jerk, but Fordham U is a private university, i.e. it wouldn't exist if it couldn't generate income for itself through tuition etc., unlike public universities which rely heavily on the states for their funding. That's why tuition at public schools is so much cheaper. If Fordham couldn't turn a profit, it wouldn't be able to exist.


I for one am glad I went to an expensive private law school. It keeps the poors out. Poors are so NEEDY, can I have some food so I don’t starve? Can I have some medical attention so I don’t die? Can I have a roof over my head so I don’t freeze to death? NO, you’re so needy its annoying.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Matthies » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:26 pm

MTal wrote:Not to be a jerk,


also, not possible

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby MTal » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:27 pm

Matthies wrote:
MTal wrote:Not to be a jerk, but Fordham U is a private university, i.e. it wouldn't exist if it couldn't generate income for itself through tuition etc., unlike public universities which rely heavily on the states for their funding. That's why tuition at public schools is so much cheaper. If Fordham couldn't turn a profit, it wouldn't be able to exist.


I for one am glad I went to an expensive private law school. It keeps the poors out. Poors are so NEEDY, can I have some food so I don’t starve? Can I have some medical attention so I don’t die? Can I have a roof over my head so I don’t freeze to death? NO, you’re so needy its annoying.


Private schools don't keep poor people out, at least not the colleges. They trip over themselves to try and admit anyone with a promissory note.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Matthies » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:35 pm

MTal wrote:
Matthies wrote:
MTal wrote:Not to be a jerk, but Fordham U is a private university, i.e. it wouldn't exist if it couldn't generate income for itself through tuition etc., unlike public universities which rely heavily on the states for their funding. That's why tuition at public schools is so much cheaper. If Fordham couldn't turn a profit, it wouldn't be able to exist.


I for one am glad I went to an expensive private law school. It keeps the poors out. Poors are so NEEDY, can I have some food so I don’t starve? Can I have some medical attention so I don’t die? Can I have a roof over my head so I don’t freeze to death? NO, you’re so needy its annoying.


Private schools don't keep poor people out, at least not the colleges. They trip over themselves to try and admit anyone with a promissory note.


Meh collge is like HS now, everyone goes.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Always Credited » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:36 pm

MTal wrote:Not to be a jerk, but Fordham U is a private university, i.e. it wouldn't exist if it couldn't generate income for itself through tuition etc., unlike public universities which rely heavily on the states for their funding. That's why tuition at public schools is so much cheaper. If Fordham couldn't turn a profit, it wouldn't be able to exist.


This is really only problematic, though, if the University is making profit for the sole purpose of profit.

There's a big difference between making "profit" off tuition for the purposes of paying the school's overhead (professor salaries, janitors, librarians, ect) - this I would hardly classify as profit. Also, consider that this "profit" may also go to purposes such as Fordham's LRAP, scholarships, and other such ends.

I'm not disagreeing with you; for all we know, you could be entirely correct and Fordham is using the higher tuition to simply make more money in a business-like fashion. I just wanted to raise some possibilities.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby OperaSoprano » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:37 pm

MTal wrote:Not to be a jerk, but Fordham U is a private university, i.e. it wouldn't exist if it couldn't generate income for itself through tuition etc., unlike public universities which rely heavily on the states for their funding. That's why tuition at public schools is so much cheaper. If Fordham couldn't turn a profit, it wouldn't be able to exist.


Yes, Fordham is a private university, but your terminology is inaccurate. For profit schools do exist, and some of them are even ABA approved (see Florida Coastal, as referenced in this somewhat dated but interesting post: http://money-law.blogspot.com/2006/12/f ... at-it.html).

If Fordham could not maintain its endowment, it wouldn't be able to exist, and the same is true of many schools. My school doesn't happen to have very much (I believe Columbia's endowment is thirteen times ours), and is thus very much dependent on tuition dollars to maintain its programs. I am always surprised at what Fordham is able to do, given our school's modest budget. I think of my own life, and how I try to live it up (going out to dinner, to the opera, etc) without spending in excess of my student loans. I mainly do it by living on brown rice and frozen channa masala during the week.

I grant that the existence of a decent public law school in NYC would be of great interest to me, but it wouldn't necessarily be much cheaper (if cheaper at all) than the school I now attend. You are probably familiar with what happened to Hastings, which was, appropriately enough, my second choice. (My parents are CA taxpayers who claimed me as a dependent last year, though I was living and working in NYC, so it's unclear whether I would have had in state status.)

BTW, I am glad you said something about depression. The stigma is very much still there, and I talk about it, though others disagree with my stance, because it's so ubiquitous -- most of my close friends have been through a major depressive episode at least once, and none of them really want to bring it up.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Matthies » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:39 pm

Always Credited wrote:
MTal wrote:Not to be a jerk, but Fordham U is a private university, i.e. it wouldn't exist if it couldn't generate income for itself through tuition etc., unlike public universities which rely heavily on the states for their funding. That's why tuition at public schools is so much cheaper. If Fordham couldn't turn a profit, it wouldn't be able to exist.


This is really only problematic, though, if the University is making profit for the sole purpose of profit.



I guess I don't see this as a problem though, if its a biuness then its buiness is to turn a profit.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Matthies » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:45 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:BTW, I am glad you said something about depression. The stigma is very much still there, and I talk about it, though others disagree with my stance, because it's so ubiquitous -- most of my close friends have been through a major depressive episode at least once, and none of them really want to bring it up.


Since I’m older I will say most people will go through depression at least once by the time they are 30. Its more of stigma with the younger generation, but the time you reach your thirties most of your friends have been divorced, addicted to some type of substance, dealt with death of a friend or family member, and depressed at least once. There is not stigma about talking about it anymore. At 22 you think you have the world all figured out and know everything, and 32 the only thing your 100% sure of is that at 22 you had no idea what the fuck you were talking about. Age is the great equalizer of experience.

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby OperaSoprano » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:54 pm

Matthies wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:BTW, I am glad you said something about depression. The stigma is very much still there, and I talk about it, though others disagree with my stance, because it's so ubiquitous -- most of my close friends have been through a major depressive episode at least once, and none of them really want to bring it up.


Since I’m older I will say most people will go through depression at least once by the time they are 30. Its more of stigma with the younger generation, but the time you reach your thirties most of your friends have been divorced, addicted to some type of substance, dealt with death of a friend or family member, and depressed at least once. There is not stigma about talking about it anymore. At 22 you think you have the world all figured out and know everything, and 32 the only thing your 100% sure of is that at 22 you had no idea what the fuck you were talking about. Age is the great equalizer of experience.


I hope so, Matthies. I'm almost 25, and I sure as hell don't feel very wise yet. Sometimes I think of the Thornton Wilder quote: "My advice to you is not to inquire why or whither, but just enjoy the ice cream while it's on your plate." Life is good right now. It hasn't always been good, and it may suck again in the future, but right now, as a first semester 1L at Fordham, I'm glad I chose law school. Personal happiness is elusive enough, and if these are going to be the best years of my life, I want to remember them.

I'm glad I'm not 22 anymore, though. 22 was directionless. 22 sucked. I hope 25 will bring some clarity, some discipline, and the ability to work toward getting shit figured out. A high GPA would also be awesome, while I'm wishing for things. :wink:

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Re: Why You Should Go To Law School

Postby Matthies » Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:00 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
Matthies wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:BTW, I am glad you said something about depression. The stigma is very much still there, and I talk about it, though others disagree with my stance, because it's so ubiquitous -- most of my close friends have been through a major depressive episode at least once, and none of them really want to bring it up.


Since I’m older I will say most people will go through depression at least once by the time they are 30. Its more of stigma with the younger generation, but the time you reach your thirties most of your friends have been divorced, addicted to some type of substance, dealt with death of a friend or family member, and depressed at least once. There is not stigma about talking about it anymore. At 22 you think you have the world all figured out and know everything, and 32 the only thing your 100% sure of is that at 22 you had no idea what the fuck you were talking about. Age is the great equalizer of experience.


I hope so, Matthies. I'm almost 25, and I sure as hell don't feel very wise yet. Sometimes I think of the Thornton Wilder quote: "My advice to you is not to inquire why or whither, but just enjoy the ice cream while it's on your plate." Life is good right now. It hasn't always been good, and it may suck again in the future, but right now, as a first semester 1L at Fordham, I'm glad I chose law school. Personal happiness is elusive enough, and if these are going to be the best years of my life, I want to remember them.


1L, while it will suck going through it, will be, when you look back on it, one of the best years of your life. You will meet some of your best freinds, and you all will bond really tightly becuase your all going trhough it together (even in a PT program, it may seem your classmates are more transiant, but you will make life long freinds with them). Do your best to enjoy the ride (and I know you worry about grades) but let it unfold as it will. belive it or not one day you will miss 1L and wish you could do it all over again.




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