Borhas wrote: somewhatwayward wrote:
as a point of reference in my state (VA)
these are the GPA's of major public schools
Virginia Tech: 2.99-3.00
James Madison University: 3.02
William & Mary 3.2
VT and JMU are fairly equivalent, standard big state schools, W&M and UVa are more selective, and about as selective
so yeah... even if Harvard students are that much better... I think the disparity is great enough that GPA's from each school should be viewed as about on the same level. UVa 3.5 ought to be as respectable as a Harvard 3.5
UVa is a great school. However, it is not as selective at Harvard.
If you look, the 25th percentile on the SAT for the Ivy league is at or above the 75th percentile for UVa. I couldn't find the average GPAs quickly, but I would assume that they are probably very similar for UVa and Harvard. And HS GPA probably means very little as the variability between the meaning of a GPA at the public school I went to and a GPA at a competitive school in a large city are probably vastly different.
Reading Math Writing
25% 75% 25% 75% 25% 75%
University of Virginia 590 700 610 720 600 700
Harvard .................700 800 700 790 700 790 http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/S ... c_Univ.htmhttp://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/s ... x_side.htm
Also, the average LSAT for UVa was 158. Harvard's average is 166.
Another example, from my state schools:
UW - 18 % > 700 for the math section, 11% > 700 for the verbal section. median HS GPA 3.69
WSU - 4% > 700 for the math section, 3% > 700 for the verbal section. median HS GPA 3.45
UW Average LSAT = 155.
UW's average GPA was 3.25. I do not think that a .2 difference explains the difference in admitted students's scores.
If you do not think a student who was admitted to Harvard or Yale and decided to go to UW or WSU would be in the top 10% of the class at that school, I would like to know why. It seems like you are arguing they will be outperformed by people who had similar or worse GPAs in high school and worse standardized test scores. I don't think the personality types that get 3.9/1500 in HS suddenly quit working hard in college, and I don't see another explanation for the drop you are assuming in their performance.