Is there a HOPE? (3.65/150) Asian URM

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Is there a HOPE? (3.65/150) Asian URM

Postby jin » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:30 pm

Not top undergrad (3.65 GPA), not top LSAT score (150). Do I have a chance to get in top 20s? + URM, multilingual, First person attending college in Family.


I have two friends who scored 175 and attending IVY. :( Is there a hope for me?
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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby 02082010 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:37 pm

jin wrote:Not top undergrad (3.65 GPA), not top LSAT score (150). Do I have a chance to get in top 20s? + URM, multilingual.


I have two friends who scored 175 and attending IVY. :( Is there a hope for me?


No, not really.

But ppl will ask why type of URM before they can give substantive advice so just divulge now.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby kurama20 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:39 pm

hopefulundergrad wrote:
jin wrote:Not top undergrad (3.65 GPA), not top LSAT score (150). Do I have a chance to get in top 20s? + URM, multilingual.


I have two friends who scored 175 and attending IVY. :( Is there a hope for me?


No, not really.

But ppl will ask why type of URM before they can give substantive advice so just divulge now.


http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CG878


OP, depending on the type of URM and your soft factors there is definitely hope. People really underestimate the power of URM and good softs/essays.
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Re: Is there a HOPE?

Postby Eddieb317 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:39 pm

You would have to, at minimum, break the 160's... if not 165's on your LSAT. With being URM (depending), writing an incredible personal statement, and having great LORs your chances do increase, but it does not look good with that 150. You can still take the LSAT again before fall 2010 deadlines. Practice accuracy and pacing in a simulated test environment, and don't forget that law school will be no easier than learning how to beat the LSAT... time and effort now are definitely worth it.

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Re: Is there a HOPE?

Postby kurama20 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:45 pm

Eddieb317 wrote:You would have to, at minimum, break the 160's... if not 165's on your LSAT. If you are an ethnic minority, you write an incredible personal statement, and you have great LORs your chances do increase, but it does not look good with that 150. You can still take the LSAT again before fall 2010 deadlines. Practice accuracy and pacing in a simulated test environment, and don't forget that law school will be no easier than learning how to beat the LSAT... time and effort now are definitely worth it.


http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CG878

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/fergi85

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Junebug

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ikeed08

Even with this positive info I would still try to retake and reach a 160+. That would really put you in another league.
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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby MTal » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:48 pm

In a word...No.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby kurama20 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:48 pm

MTal wrote:In a word...No.


http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CG878

In a word yes.....

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby Katerina » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:51 pm

Retake.

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Re: Is there a HOPE?

Postby jin » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:34 pm

Eddieb317 wrote:You would have to, at minimum, break the 160's... if not 165's on your LSAT. With being URM (depending), writing an incredible personal statement, and having great LORs your chances do increase, but it does not look good with that 150. You can still take the LSAT again before fall 2010 deadlines. Practice accuracy and pacing in a simulated test environment, and don't forget that law school will be no easier than learning how to beat the LSAT... time and effort now are definitely worth it.


Thanks for your encouragement.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby jin » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:36 pm

hopefulundergrad wrote:
jin wrote:Not top undergrad (3.65 GPA), not top LSAT score (150). Do I have a chance to get in top 20s? + URM, multilingual.


I have two friends who scored 175 and attending IVY. :( Is there a hope for me?


No, not really.

But ppl will ask why type of URM before they can give substantive advice so just divulge now.


I am an Ethnic Minority of an developing Asian country. BTW, I am ESL.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby jin » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:38 pm

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby Kiersten1985 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:47 pm

Katerina wrote:Retake.


+1. If I was an adcom at a T20, I'd be sitting with your app wondering why you didn't retake.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby jcunni5 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:50 pm

I don't think any asians get a URM boost so you definitely want to retake

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby jin » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:51 pm

jcunni5 wrote:I don't think any asians get a URM boost so you definitely want to retake
:(

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby reasonable_man » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:52 pm

flame.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby kurama20 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:03 pm

jin wrote:
hopefulundergrad wrote:
jin wrote:Not top undergrad (3.65 GPA), not top LSAT score (150). Do I have a chance to get in top 20s? + URM, multilingual.


I have two friends who scored 175 and attending IVY. :( Is there a hope for me?


No, not really.

But ppl will ask why type of URM before they can give substantive advice so just divulge now.


I am an Ethnic Minority of an developing Asian country. BTW, I am ESL.


You really should have mentioned this earlier. Sorry to jump on the negative bandwagon but you will need at the very least a 165.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby jin » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:06 pm

kurama20 wrote:
jin wrote:
hopefulundergrad wrote:
jin wrote:Not top undergrad (3.65 GPA), not top LSAT score (150). Do I have a chance to get in top 20s? + URM, multilingual.


I have two friends who scored 175 and attending IVY. :( Is there a hope for me?


No, not really.

But ppl will ask why type of URM before they can give substantive advice so just divulge now.


I am an Ethnic Minority of an developing Asian country. BTW, I am ESL.


You really should have mentioned this earlier. Sorry to jump on the negative bandwagon but you will need at the very least a 165.


165 for me is like getting Stars from the Universe. :(

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby 02082010 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:20 pm

kurama20 wrote:
jin wrote:
hopefulundergrad wrote:
jin wrote:Not top undergrad (3.65 GPA), not top LSAT score (150). Do I have a chance to get in top 20s? + URM, multilingual.


I have two friends who scored 175 and attending IVY. :( Is there a hope for me?


No, not really.

But ppl will ask why type of URM before they can give substantive advice so just divulge now.


I am an Ethnic Minority of an developing Asian country. BTW, I am ESL.


You really should have mentioned this earlier. Sorry to jump on the negative bandwagon but you will need at the very least a 165.


kurama... you really believe 7 examples of acceptances out of the 9000 who apply really signifies hope? Even if OP were AA, I would say "no" followed by "retake, retake, retake."

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby dood » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:25 pm

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby LSATfromNC » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:36 pm

kurama20 wrote:
MTal wrote:In a word...No.


http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CG878

In a word yes.....


That one is horse shit. A half ride to one of the best law schools in the nation for having a completely average LSAT score. Maybe it wasn't the ethnicity box that got him in and he was a special cup cake who did something cool, like graduate from college or something.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150 *~* =( :(

Postby jin » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:37 pm

How about top 50?

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Re: Is there a HOPE? (3.65/150)

Postby kurama20 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:56 pm

hopefulundergrad wrote:kurama... you really believe 7 examples of acceptances out of the 9000 who apply really signifies hope? Even if OP were AA, I would say "no" followed by "retake, retake, retake."


You need to realize that a lot of us on here are far far too negative when it comes to URM admissions. When you calm down and start doing the math, and thinking through it, those 7 acceptances are not all that rare and they make sense. There are so few blacks that score in the range of these top schools that they simply have no choice but to dip lower for us on the LSAT. The GPA is a different story (unfortunately for both of us), but for the LSAT they just cannot hold us to the same standard and expect to get many of us. There are only about 40 or so of us who break 170 every year. With the number of people going to HYS and CCN every year do you really think that most or even moderately few of the blacks there are in those LSAT ranges? Look at Columbia's range: 170-175--then look at their GPA. Do you seriously think that they are filling up their class with black applicants with 172+(median for Columbia) and 3.62 + GPA ? First there are an incredibly small number of blacks with those numbers---and the one's with those numbers are not going to be going to Columbia with anything short of a full ride. Top schools have to pretty much base most of their black acceptances on GPA and softs. As a result they will dip very low on the LSAT side with the right GPA.

Honestly, the fact that I found as many applicants as I did on lawschoolnumbers with that low of an LSAT who were accepted is a really good sign. The people on lsn are, on average, going to have better stats than those who don't self report, as they are the most involved in the process. There are a lot more with lower LSATs being accepted than what you find on lsn. Another thing that has shown me how off a lot of people on here are about URM acceptances is the data my school keeps about law school applicants and acceptances, the people on black law school discussion, and actually meeting URMs who have been accepted to these schools. Honestly man very very few of them have the profile that you all often claim is needed to get into these schools. Many of the posters on here will say to a URM asking to go to Chicago for instance " Your LSAT is too low. You need to be at least at their 25 percentile to have a shot. "You only have a 163. Do you know how few blacks have a 169 LSAT score? In all seriousness I know a good bit of blacks who were accepted to top schools with sub 160 LSATs. Actually more than I've seen with 170+LSATS. Go to black law school discussion. You will see a ton of people on there who get into HYS with like only a 165. They just have high GPAs.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? 3.65/150

Postby kurama20 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:01 pm

LSATfromNC wrote:
kurama20 wrote:
MTal wrote:In a word...No.


http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CG878

In a word yes.....


That one is horse shit. A half ride to one of the best law schools in the nation for having a completely average LSAT score. Maybe it wasn't the ethnicity box that got him in and he was a special cup cake who did something cool, like graduate from college or something.


It's not horseshit man. I've seen URMs with 150 LSATs at Harvard. A 153 and a 3.6 getting into Boalt actually makes a lot of sense. They really do not care about LSATs like other schools do, and this is doubly true for black applicants. He/she has a high GPA which is mainly what they are looking for. A 150 something LSAT will not sink a black applicant--a low GPA might but a low LSAT won't. As far as the money keep in mind that URMs often make FAR less money than most white applicants and thus need based grants often result in big money for URMs. Also a lot of scholarships are specifically for URMs. This type of aid is independent from numbers. Go on black law school discussion. You will meet a lot of people with the type of profile this person has on lsn at schools all throughout the top 14. Honestly at the top schools like Cornell and Michigan (hard sell locations for black applicants) a lot of the URMs have profiles like this.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? (3.65/150)

Postby 02082010 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:54 pm

Kurama, send me the link to black law school discussion.

Also, I hate my TTT GPA :| and I hate even more that my upward trend doesn't mean a thing.

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Re: Is there a HOPE? (3.65/150)

Postby jack duluoz » Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:01 am

do u have trouble with the test being taken in english? im just curious. but i believe if u have 3.65 and didnt major in basket weaving u can at least score a 155 with some work




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