25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

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25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby williamsmatt » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:37 pm

What is the use of having published 25-75 percentiles for GPA and LSAT? Does this mean that I have a shot at the school if I am within their range? My undergraduate GPA is in the lower 25 percent at most of the schools I'm applying to but my LSAT is in the range. What do you think? My graduate GPA is better at about 3.2, but LSAC doesn't look at it.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby Kohinoor » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:39 pm

williamsmatt wrote:What is the use of having published 25-75 percentiles for GPA and LSAT? Does this mean that I have a shot at the school if I am within their range? My undergraduate GPA is in the lower 25 percent at most of the schools I'm applying to but my LSAT is in the range. What do you think?

I think you should create a more detailed thread in the What Are My Chances subforum.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby babaghanouj » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:41 pm

It sounds like you have a shot, but you shouldn't consider yourself a lock anywhere unless you're above the 75% mark.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby williamsmatt » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:44 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
williamsmatt wrote:What is the use of having published 25-75 percentiles for GPA and LSAT? Does this mean that I have a shot at the school if I am within their range? My undergraduate GPA is in the lower 25 percent at most of the schools I'm applying to but my LSAT is in the range. What do you think?

I think you should create a more detailed thread in the What Are My Chances subforum.


LOL, I have a Master's degree in Statistics, I was just meaning what does it mean in terms of admissions probabilities.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby williamsmatt » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:45 pm



lol, I meant that previous post in reply to this one.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby Drake014 » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:53 pm

williamsmatt wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
williamsmatt wrote:What is the use of having published 25-75 percentiles for GPA and LSAT? Does this mean that I have a shot at the school if I am within their range? My undergraduate GPA is in the lower 25 percent at most of the schools I'm applying to but my LSAT is in the range. What do you think?

I think you should create a more detailed thread in the What Are My Chances subforum.


LOL, I have a Master's degree in Statistics, I was just meaning what does it mean in terms of admissions probabilities.


Shouldn't we be asking you then?

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Postby williamsmatt » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:56 pm

Drake014 wrote:
williamsmatt wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
williamsmatt wrote:What is the use of having published 25-75 percentiles for GPA and LSAT? Does this mean that I have a shot at the school if I am within their range? My undergraduate GPA is in the lower 25 percent at most of the schools I'm applying to but my LSAT is in the range. What do you think?

I think you should create a more detailed thread in the What Are My Chances subforum.


LOL, I have a Master's degree in Statistics, I was just meaning what does it mean in terms of admissions probabilities.


Shouldn't we be asking you then?


No, I know how to calculate it but what does it mean? I don't get why schools publish the data, does this mean that you are admitted if you are in the upper 75, considered if you are in the middle 50 percent, and what about the bottom 25 percent? They are still at the school, but they are at the lowest 25 percentile... the school admits them still.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby Drake014 » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:56 pm

williamsmatt wrote:
Drake014 wrote:
williamsmatt wrote:
Kohinoor wrote: I think you should create a more detailed thread in the What Are My Chances subforum.


LOL, I have a Master's degree in Statistics, I was just meaning what does it mean in terms of admissions probabilities.


Shouldn't we be asking you then?


No, I know how to calculate it but what does it mean? I don't get why schools publish the data, does this mean that you are admitted if you are in the upper 75, considered if you are in the middle 50 percent, and what about the bottom 25 percent? They are still at the school, but they are at the lowest 25 percentile... the school admits them still.


Your educated guess is as good as ours.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby redsox » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:59 pm

Come on. You must have the least capacity for practical application of statistics of anyone with a master's in stats in the history of the world if you're asking this question in this way.

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Postby Always Credited » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:02 am

Above 75%: Many scholarship students, you should be an admit or $$$ at this level if your LSAT/GPA (whatever we aren't considering here) isn't subpar.

Below 25%: Historically most of the URMs fall into this range, along with the WL->In crowd. Don't count on being considered in this range unless you're a splitter at a splitter friendly school.

Everything Else: Welcome to the lumping of the mediocre. Prepare for stress, second guessing and judging the size/weight of every envelope you receive from November - May.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby williamsmatt » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:03 am

Always Credited wrote:Above 75%: Many scholarship students, you should be an admit or $$$ at this level if your LSAT/GPA (whatever we aren't considering here) isn't subpar.

Below 25%: Historically most of the URMs fall into this range, along with the WL->In crowd. Don't count on being considered in this range unless you're a splitter at a splitter friendly school.

Everything Else: Welcome to the lumping of the mediocre. Prepare for stress, second guessing and judging the size/weight of every envelope you receive from November - May.


Cool, makes sense,,, good answer!

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby williamsmatt » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:04 am

redsox wrote:Come on. You must have the least capacity for practical application of statistics of anyone with a master's in stats in the history of the world if you're asking this question in this way.


Not really.

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Postby Bronte » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:12 am

williamsmatt wrote:
redsox wrote:Come on. You must have the least capacity for practical application of statistics of anyone with a master's in stats in the history of the world if you're asking this question in this way.


Not really.


Yeah, a bit harsh but... You have a master's in statistics? You should not only be able to calculate quartiles but also to interpret them. Why would law schools publish these numbers? Because they provide a clear indication of the spread and central tendency of the scores that are accepted at those schools.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby williamsmatt » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:18 am

Bronte wrote:
williamsmatt wrote:
redsox wrote:Come on. You must have the least capacity for practical application of statistics of anyone with a master's in stats in the history of the world if you're asking this question in this way.


Not really.


Yeah, a bit harsh but... You have a master's in statistics? You should not only be able to calculate quartiles but also to interpret them. Why would law schools publish these numbers? Because they provide a clear indication of the spread and central tendency of the scores that are accepted at those schools.


oh.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby redsox » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:21 am

Bronte wrote:
williamsmatt wrote:
redsox wrote:Come on. You must have the least capacity for practical application of statistics of anyone with a master's in stats in the history of the world if you're asking this question in this way.


Not really.


Yeah, a bit harsh but... You have a master's in statistics? You should not only be able to calculate quartiles but also to interpret them. Why would law schools publish these numbers? Because they provide a clear indication of the spread and central tendency of the scores that are accepted at those schools.


Yeah, probably was a bit harsh...but come on...the OP could ask a more intelligent question like "If I am under the 25th percentile in GPA, do I have a reasonable shot at getting in with an LSAT in the 25th to 75th range?" rather than "What does this mean?" or "What is the use in publishing this?" when those really aren't the questions he wants answered.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby Bronte » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:22 am

williamsmatt wrote:
Bronte wrote:
williamsmatt wrote:
redsox wrote:Come on. You must have the least capacity for practical application of statistics of anyone with a master's in stats in the history of the world if you're asking this question in this way.


Not really.


Yeah, a bit harsh but... You have a master's in statistics? You should not only be able to calculate quartiles but also to interpret them. Why would law schools publish these numbers? Because they provide a clear indication of the spread and central tendency of the scores that are accepted at those schools.


oh.


Here, I'll be more helpful. Punch your numbers into this calculator: http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-co ... ograms.htm

This should give you a more clear, qualitative indication of your chances at Top 100 schools.

Edit: but take these predictions with a grain of salt
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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby williamsmatt » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:23 am

redsox wrote:
Bronte wrote:
williamsmatt wrote:
redsox wrote:Come on. You must have the least capacity for practical application of statistics of anyone with a master's in stats in the history of the world if you're asking this question in this way.


Not really.


Yeah, a bit harsh but... You have a master's in statistics? You should not only be able to calculate quartiles but also to interpret them. Why would law schools publish these numbers? Because they provide a clear indication of the spread and central tendency of the scores that are accepted at those schools.


Yeah, probably was a bit harsh...but come on...the OP could ask a more intelligent question like "If I am under the 25th percentile in GPA, do I have a reasonable shot at getting in with an LSAT in the 25th to 75th range?" rather than "What does this mean?" or "What is the use in publishing this?" when those really aren't the questions he wants answered.


Sorry I posted to the wrong forum,,, it's in what are my chances now... unfortunately.

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby sf87 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:02 am

your tar is super relaxing.

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Postby williamsmatt » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:05 am

sf87 wrote:your tar is super relaxing.


Thanks I took it myself, sunset in San Diego. Love the ocean...

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Re: 25-75 Percentile? What does this mean exactly?

Postby englawyer » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:39 pm

if you crack both 75th, things are looking very good.

if you hit a 75th and are at or above the median of the other category, things are looking pretty good but you still need a decent app.

if you are at both medians, you are in contention but need a good app.

if you hit one 75th but are at or below the other 25th, you are a splitter. its better to be an LSAT splitter for most schools. tough to make admission predictions.

if you don't hit either 25th, things are looking very bad.

anyone can feel free to add/correct these...based on my observations...




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