Mean LSAT by UG College

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby rayiner » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:49 pm

samsonyte16 wrote:Yes but,

Average GPA at GTech: 3.07
Average GPA at Brown: 3.6-ish

Average LSAT at GTech: 159
Average LSAT at Brown: 163

GTech's average GPA is actually a bit on the high side for state schools. Most average somewhere around 2.9. Also, GTech is a technical school, so there is a good chance that the most intellectually talented students take the LSAT in lower numbers than at Brown.


We can do an equating process: 159 is 78th %-ile, 163 is 89th %-ile. Fitting both to a normal distribution assuming the SD = 10, that means that 66th %-ile at GT = 50th %-ile at Brown.

Now, let's assume the curve at GT has a median of 3.1 and an SD of 0.4*. That means the 66th %-ile GPA is 3.26, which is what Brown's median GPA should be to factor out the LSAT difference and equate the GPAs. Which means that if you use average LSAT to do the equating, Brown is pretty severely grade-inflated.

*) A school-wide average is a bit misleading for GT - the average ranges from probably about 2.9 - 3.2 between the various majors. In the AE department, 3.2-3.3 is roughly top 10%.

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby los blancos » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:57 pm

HelperMonkey wrote:
goodolgil wrote:I already excluded classes with curves from my point before, so your post is irrelevant. Most classes don't have curves.

Anyway, I wasn't actually taking a position on this issue. I was mostly pointing out that the evidence used for your (implied) conclusion is insufficient. Probably been studying too much LSAT. It probably is harder to get a high GPA at an elite school, but your original post in this thread provided no evidence of that.


My school forced me to take like 8 classes with curves like the above (a full year's worth)... if I took a humanities major.


All of my classes in my major were curved. Royal pain in the ass when you're in one of the tougher majors at a top school and it's curved to a B-. I could've gone to a small local private school and gotten a 4.0 in my sleep and I'd be looking for apartments in Berkeley.
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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby los blancos » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:59 pm

HelperMonkey wrote:All undergrad GPAs are created equal lalalallaa

Stanford 164
Williams 164
Pomona College 165
Princeton 165
Swarthmore 165
Yale 165
Harvard 166


This is hilarious, though not surprising.



162 at my school. 22% of the people that took it scored 95th percentile and up. That's obscene.

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby SandyC877 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:33 pm

you also have to consider the size of the student body. Smaller schools will naturally produce higher mean than schools like UCs

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby s0ph1e2007 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:44 pm

this list makes sense... except for Pomona
where'd that come from?

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby ndirish2010 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:47 pm

s0ph1e2007 wrote:this list makes sense... except for Pomona
where'd that come from?


What? Pomona is one of the top LACs in the nation, I would certainly group them in with the elites in that category

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby nyyankees » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:50 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:
s0ph1e2007 wrote:this list makes sense... except for Pomona
where'd that come from?


What? Pomona is one of the top LACs in the nation, I would certainly group them in with the elites in that category


yeah but i always thought Pomona was closer to Reed/Haverford than Williams and Amherst

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby ndirish2010 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:59 pm

nyyankees wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:
s0ph1e2007 wrote:this list makes sense... except for Pomona
where'd that come from?


What? Pomona is one of the top LACs in the nation, I would certainly group them in with the elites in that category


yeah but i always thought Pomona was closer to Reed/Haverford than Williams and Amherst


The acronym used on CollegeConfidential for the nation's top LACs is 'SWAP' = Swarthmore, Williams, Amherst, Pomona

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby im_blue » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:00 am

nyyankees wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:
s0ph1e2007 wrote:this list makes sense... except for Pomona
where'd that come from?


What? Pomona is one of the top LACs in the nation, I would certainly group them in with the elites in that category


yeah but i always thought Pomona was closer to Reed/Haverford than Williams and Amherst


Pomona is the AWS of California, and gets a lot of their top students.

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby Stringer Bell » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:00 am

Seeing my UG school (one of the bottom 20 schools) on that list compared to other schools is worse than seeing it isolated on the grade report.

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby thechee » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:08 am

It's interesting to know the mean vs the distribution. At my UG, the mean is 162, but the percentile breakdown is:

95&up = 29
90-94 = 16
85-89 = 12
80-84 = 10
75-79 = 6
70-74 = 5
65-69 = 4
60-64 = 4
55-59 = 4
50-54 = 2
45-49 = 2
40-44 = 2
35-39 = 2
30-34 = 1
25-29 = 1
20-24 = 0
0-19 = 1

It seems that with 45% of test takers scoring a 164 or higher, the mean should be slightly higher than a 162...or maybe the 9% scoring a 151 or lower significantly lowers the mean? It's a pretty small school (less than 1900 ppl). Anyone willing to share the breakdown's for other UGs?

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby englawyer » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:18 pm

we should make another list for "num candidates". or better yet combine the LSAT list with the GPA list and this new numCandidates list. finally, we should also have a list for average SAT for each undergrad, as that would be a superior way to check out LSAT/SAT correlation IMO.

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby ndirish2010 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:55 pm

Notre Dame's breakdown is as follows:

Mean = 160
Number Candidates = 751
SAT 25-75 (Class of 2013) = 1390-1490

95+ = 16
90-94 = 14
85-89 = 11
80-84 = 10
75-79 = 8
70-74 = 8
65-69 = 6
60-64 = 5
55-59 = 5
50-54 = 3
45-45 = 3
40-44 = 3
35-39 = 2
30-34 = 2
25-29 = 1
20-24 = 1
0-19 = 2

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby thechee » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:16 pm

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby superflush » Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:54 pm

thechee wrote:This is for Carleton College.
Number of candidates is 267/Typical graduating class is 450


That's pretty funny. More than half the class takes the LSAT.

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby englawyer » Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:55 pm

superflush wrote:
thechee wrote:This is for Carleton College.
Number of candidates is 267/Typical graduating class is 450


That's pretty funny. More than half the class takes the LSAT.


it is actually candidates over 3 years, so roughly 90 candidates a year. still a high percentage though!!

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby RVP11 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:38 pm

At the top Ivies and LACs, something like 25% of the class takes the LSAT. At big state schools it's often less than 5%. Even if you disregard the fact that people from top schools get better scores, this alone explains a lot of why top law schools are full of people from top UGs.

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby nyyankees » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:43 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:Notre Dame's breakdown is as follows:

Mean = 160
Number Candidates = 751
SAT 25-75 (Class of 2013) = 1390-1490

95+ = 16
90-94 = 14
85-89 = 11
80-84 = 10
75-79 = 8
70-74 = 8
65-69 = 6
60-64 = 5
55-59 = 5
50-54 = 3
45-45 = 3
40-44 = 3
35-39 = 2
30-34 = 2
25-29 = 1
20-24 = 1
0-19 = 2


sorry maybe im slow, but where in my LSAC report do i find this breakdown for my school?

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby Unitas » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:48 pm

nyyankees wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:Notre Dame's breakdown is as follows:

Mean = 160
Number Candidates = 751
SAT 25-75 (Class of 2013) = 1390-1490

95+ = 16
90-94 = 14
85-89 = 11
80-84 = 10
75-79 = 8
70-74 = 8
65-69 = 6
60-64 = 5
55-59 = 5
50-54 = 3
45-45 = 3
40-44 = 3
35-39 = 2
30-34 = 2
25-29 = 1
20-24 = 1
0-19 = 2


sorry maybe im slow, but where in my LSAC report do i find this breakdown for my school?


Look at apply then credentials then transcripts. On the right is your academic summary report. It is in there

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby subgdubb » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:03 pm

This obviously shows that people who do not go to Harvard are idiots. How could somebody get lower than a 160 on their LSAT? Such trash!

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby sibley » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:05 pm

subgdubb wrote:This obviously shows that people who do not go to Harvard are idiots. How could somebody get lower than a 160 on their LSAT? Such trash!


and on that note...

University of Rochester, 158

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby subgdubb » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:11 pm

They should not allow people to go to law school unless they get 170 or higher on their LSAT.

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby 84Sunbird2000 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:24 am

147 at my school :(. It's very concentrated in the middle. Only 3 percent scored above the 85th percentile. However, for all of the 5% blocks from 45-74, there are 4,5, or 6 percent of students. Unfortunately, the bottom is stronger than the top - 27% in the 0-19 bracket. Ugh. At least our median GPA is a not terribly inflated 3.24.

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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby hellokitty » Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:17 pm

University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa- 152, 3.35
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Re: Mean LSAT by UG College

Postby Flanker1067 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:28 pm

subgdubb wrote:They should not allow people to go to law school unless they get 170 or higher on their LSAT.



Haha, this is how I feel sometimes, but then I remember that I am being elitist trash. Really it should be 165+.




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