Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby Rocketman11 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:10 pm

ihateusnews wrote:So right now I've been out of law school since 2008.

I now make $28k at the solo in the Bronx full-time, health insurance discounted.

I also make about $7k/yr. at IHOP weekends, but my hours just got cut back because of new hires. So this will probably go down to about $5k/hr.

So basically I make $33k/yr.

I proposed to my girlfriend and she accepted. She starts at a hospital in NYC after she graduates med school. She is going to do her residency and take on some additional work there starting in January, for $100k/yr.


FYI my intern makes more than you do, and considering COL in DC < COL in NY, I think he comes out even farther ahead. And he basically spends his days surfing the web.

I cannot believe your girlfriend would accept your proposal, you make such awful important decisions. She should have doubts about your ability to be a father, pet owner, or own breakable dishes.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby rondemarino » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:15 pm

^^ Was that level of douchiness needed?

p.s: The part of OP's quote that you left out might answer the proposal question.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby Rocketman11 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:18 pm

rondemarino wrote:^^ Was that level of douchiness needed?

p.s: The part of OP's quote that you left out might answer the proposal question.


Dude this guy is not legit... in his most recent post he tells us that his mom thinks Vermont is among the T14 because of its environmental law program. Do you really think his mom, or anyone's mom really, would have any real grasp on rankings enough to argue such a point?

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby chicoalto0649 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:23 pm

Rocketman11 wrote:
rondemarino wrote:^^ Was that level of douchiness needed?

p.s: The part of OP's quote that you left out might answer the proposal question.


Dude this guy is not legit... in his most recent post he tells us that his mom thinks Vermont is among the T14 because of its environmental law program. Do you really think his mom, or anyone's mom really, would have any real grasp on rankings enough to argue such a point?



Dude also mentions waiting for his parents to DIE as a possible choice in life....thats really twisted and my parents are FILTHY rich, I would never dream of saying that, even on an annonymous forum!

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby OperaSoprano » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:36 pm

im_blue wrote:
ihateusnews wrote:So right now I've been out of law school since 2008.

I now make $28k at the solo in the Bronx full-time, health insurance discounted.

I also make about $7k/yr. at IHOP weekends, but my hours just got cut back because of new hires. So this will probably go down to about $5k/hr.

So basically I make $33k/yr.

I proposed to my girlfriend and she accepted. She starts at a hospital in NYC after she graduates med school. She is going to do her residency and take on some additional work there starting in January, for $100k/yr.

I am thinking of joining the NYPD, but my family is strongly against it. My mother told me if I do it, I'm throwing away a winning lottery ticket-a Vermont JD. She still thinks it's on par with the T14 just because of it's environmental law program. She found it highly stressful when my dad was a police officer in Nassau County. She told me I'm disowned and out of the will if I join the NYPD. My family has a ton of money (they paid for my law school, and my grandparents bought and pay the taxes on my parents house on Long Island).

So I might be better off just working low-paying jobs and then inheriting a lot someday (hopefully a very long time from now!), instead of taking a pay raise by joining the NYPD (assuming I can get in somehow) and foregoing possibly millions later.


Your story is starting to make sense. :roll:


Not all women are that obsessed with $$$. I'm not making judgment calls over whether this tale is true, but people do exist who have married other people with modest incomes.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby reasonable_man » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:58 pm

I really hate that my name is attached to this thread lol.

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Postby Leeroy Jenkins » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:37 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:Not all women are that obsessed with $$$. I'm not making judgment calls over whether this tale is true, but people do exist who have married other people with [strike]modest incomes[/strike] fuckin huge inheritances.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby laidoffjournalist » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:39 pm

This thread is old, but I just saw it. I would tell the OP to stop putting his J.D. on his resume if places think he is overqualified. I find it interesting that the J.D. makes you qualified, but not the M.B.A.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby ihateusnews » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:10 pm

I never said that I am waiting for my parents to die. I hope they both live long and happy lives. All I said is that I might not be better off taking a higher-paying job, because it might get me disowned and then I would lose money.

I care much more about my parents' general health and welfare than about money. I want to make that absolutely clear.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby sarlis » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:27 pm

reasonable_man wrote:
sarlis wrote:
PoliticalJunkie wrote:HMMMM Vermont Law School, Vermont Job. Wow, what an epiphany! :roll:


Unless OP did their environmental law program. In that case, he could go anywhere in the country.



That was sarcastic right?


if OP did the Environmental Law program there he would have a job, enough said.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby im_blue » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:33 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
im_blue wrote:
ihateusnews wrote:So right now I've been out of law school since 2008.

I now make $28k at the solo in the Bronx full-time, health insurance discounted.

I also make about $7k/yr. at IHOP weekends, but my hours just got cut back because of new hires. So this will probably go down to about $5k/hr.

So basically I make $33k/yr.

I proposed to my girlfriend and she accepted. She starts at a hospital in NYC after she graduates med school. She is going to do her residency and take on some additional work there starting in January, for $100k/yr.

I am thinking of joining the NYPD, but my family is strongly against it. My mother told me if I do it, I'm throwing away a winning lottery ticket-a Vermont JD. She still thinks it's on par with the T14 just because of it's environmental law program. She found it highly stressful when my dad was a police officer in Nassau County. She told me I'm disowned and out of the will if I join the NYPD. My family has a ton of money (they paid for my law school, and my grandparents bought and pay the taxes on my parents house on Long Island).

So I might be better off just working low-paying jobs and then inheriting a lot someday (hopefully a very long time from now!), instead of taking a pay raise by joining the NYPD (assuming I can get in somehow) and foregoing possibly millions later.


Your story is starting to make sense. :roll:


Not all women are that obsessed with $$$. I'm not making judgment calls over whether this tale is true, but people do exist who have married other people with modest incomes.


Agreed, however I argue that most women who recently graduated from med school with a six-figure job lined up would not marry a guy making $30k a year. Sociology statistics back this up - many professional women lament a lack of quality marriage partners because they tend to be reluctant or unwilling to consider men with lower income or education.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby Blindmelon » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:57 pm

sarlis wrote:
reasonable_man wrote:
sarlis wrote:
PoliticalJunkie wrote:HMMMM Vermont Law School, Vermont Job. Wow, what an epiphany! :roll:


Unless OP did their environmental law program. In that case, he could go anywhere in the country.



That was sarcastic right?


if OP did the Environmental Law program there he would have a job, enough said.


If you're right, then why doesn't everyone with really low LSAT/GPA just go to Vermont and get those guaranteed jobs in Environmental Law? With a median GPA of 3.25, a 60% acceptance rte and an LSAT range of 152-158, its not exactly difficult to get into.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby sarlis » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:28 pm

Blindmelon wrote:
sarlis wrote:
reasonable_man wrote:
sarlis wrote:
Unless OP did their environmental law program. In that case, he could go anywhere in the country.



That was sarcastic right?


if OP did the Environmental Law program there he would have a job, enough said.


If you're right, then why doesn't everyone with really low LSAT/GPA just go to Vermont and get those guaranteed jobs in Environmental Law? With a median GPA of 3.25, a 60% acceptance rte and an LSAT range of 152-158, its not exactly difficult to get into.


yes, and everyone does not want to practice environmental law. but bring ranked that high nationally in a program does guarantee some jobs, more than not participating in the program

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby Helmholtz » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:34 pm

sarlis wrote:
yes, and everyone does not want to practice environmental law. but bring ranked that high nationally in a program does guarantee some jobs, more than not participating in the program


Do you understand how the specialty rankings are done and that they're basically 100% bullshit that nobody with any common knowledge of the legal field, employers especially, care about at all? I have a suspicion you might be pulling everybody's legs with your Vermont talk, so this is just in case.

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Postby Leeroy Jenkins » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:41 pm

Helmholtz wrote:Do you understand how the specialty rankings are done and that they're basically 100% bullshit that nobody with any common knowledge of the legal field, employers especially, care about at all? I have a suspicion you might be pulling everybody's legs with your Vermont talk, so this is just in case.

The Environmental Law thing for Vermont is actually applicable to it.

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Postby Helmholtz » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:49 pm

Lxw wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Do you understand how the specialty rankings are done and that they're basically 100% bullshit that nobody with any common knowledge of the legal field, employers especially, care about at all? I have a suspicion you might be pulling everybody's legs with your Vermont talk, so this is just in case.

The Environmental Law thing for Vermont is actually applicable to it.


My problem was with the statement, "b[e]ing ranked that high nationally in a program does guarantee some jobs," which is a little absurd to me. I know Vermont really pushes their environmental law program, but it's not like the specialty rankings prove anything or that you're guaranteed an environmental job by going there.

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Postby Oban » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:34 am

Actually, from some of the Enviro legal types I've talked with out here in California, Vermont gets a lot of respeck

Some schools specialty rankings actually mean something, Vermont, Franklin Pierce, and to a lesser extent American.

Franklin pierce, despite being TTT or whatever, is only out gunned in IP placement by T14 and maybe Kent.

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Postby Helmholtz » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:46 am

Oban wrote:Actually, from some of the Enviro legal types I've talked with out here in California, Vermont gets a lot of respeck

Some schools specialty rankings actually mean something, Vermont, Franklin Pierce, and to a lesser extent American.

Franklin pierce, despite being TTT or whatever, is only out gunned in IP placement by T14 and maybe Kent.


My argument was that specialty rankings mean nothing. USNWR's method of doing those rankings is horribly flawed, and actual practitioners pay even less attention to those than they do the main rankings (which they basically pay no attention to, by the way). The fact that Vermont gets respect for its environmental law program has nothing to do with the fact that they're high up in a ranking published by a magazine, except possibly among the clueless who had the $10 to buy USNWR's special graduate school edition and have never stepped inside a law firm in their life.

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Postby Leeroy Jenkins » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:51 am

Oban wrote:Franklin pierce, despite being TTT or whatever, is only out gunned in IP placement by T14 and maybe Kent.

haha wouldn't entirely put too much stock in that statement

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Postby sarlis » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:46 am

Helmholtz wrote:
Oban wrote:Actually, from some of the Enviro legal types I've talked with out here in California, Vermont gets a lot of respeck

Some schools specialty rankings actually mean something, Vermont, Franklin Pierce, and to a lesser extent American.

Franklin pierce, despite being TTT or whatever, is only out gunned in IP placement by T14 and maybe Kent.


My argument was that specialty rankings mean nothing. USNWR's method of doing those rankings is horribly flawed, and actual practitioners pay even less attention to those than they do the main rankings (which they basically pay no attention to, by the way). The fact that Vermont gets respect for its environmental law program has nothing to do with the fact that they're high up in a ranking published by a magazine, except possibly among the clueless who had the $10 to buy USNWR's special graduate school edition and have never stepped inside a law firm in their life.


you are missing my point. All I said and implied was that at VLS, their environmental law program is well respected, therefore had OP done their environmental law program, he prob would have a better chance at getting a job upon graduation. I was not arguing the high ranking=success in general, rather at VLS in particular, high ranking=success

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Postby reasonable_man » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:53 am

sarlis wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
Oban wrote:Actually, from some of the Enviro legal types I've talked with out here in California, Vermont gets a lot of respeck

Some schools specialty rankings actually mean something, Vermont, Franklin Pierce, and to a lesser extent American.

Franklin pierce, despite being TTT or whatever, is only out gunned in IP placement by T14 and maybe Kent.


My argument was that specialty rankings mean nothing. USNWR's method of doing those rankings is horribly flawed, and actual practitioners pay even less attention to those than they do the main rankings (which they basically pay no attention to, by the way). The fact that Vermont gets respect for its environmental law program has nothing to do with the fact that they're high up in a ranking published by a magazine, except possibly among the clueless who had the $10 to buy USNWR's special graduate school edition and have never stepped inside a law firm in their life.


you are missing my point. All I said and implied was that at VLS, their environmental law program is well respected, therefore had OP done their environmental law program, he prob would have a better chance at getting a job upon graduation. I was not arguing the high ranking=success in general, rather at VLS in particular, high ranking=success


Like so many before you, you know not what you speak.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby ihateusnews » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:48 am

I took a lot of corporate law classes and was hoping to be a tax attorney in NYC or as a backup Long Island. I graduated in the top 12% of my class at Vermont, and was always in the top 15% after 1L year.

So what do you all recommend-stay in the Bronx? Join the NYPD? Something else?

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Postby Oban » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:51 am

move back to vermont.

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby bighead715 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:13 am

this thread proves to me that half the law schools in existence should be destroyed and no new law school established for a period of 50 years

STOP FLOODING THE MARKET WITH WORTHLESS JDs AND THEIR OWNERS WHO SHOULDNT PRACTICE LAW - we know people will apply, attend, and pay TTTs til the world ends so it falls on us to end the reign of TTTs

im starting a petition to the ABA - im thinkin 100 signatures should suffice

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Re: Reasonable_Man is Right Law School Can be a Terrible Choice

Postby Rocketman11 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:44 am

bighead715 wrote:this thread proves to me that half the law schools in existence should be destroyed and no new law school established for a period of 50 years

STOP FLOODING THE MARKET WITH WORTHLESS JDs AND THEIR OWNERS WHO SHOULDNT PRACTICE LAW - we know people will apply, attend, and pay TTTs til the world ends so it falls on us to end the reign of TTTs

im starting a petition to the ABA - im thinkin 100 signatures should suffice


I know judges and very successful business executives who graduated from T3/T4 schools (including Cooley). Just sayin!




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