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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby articulably suspect » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:55 pm

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Matthies wrote:Protip - use craigslist to find: used furniture, a roommate, or a Philippino she male. Don’t use Craigslist to find a legal job.


Apart from OCI which is only availabe to the top 10 % of students at most schools, could you please point us to the magical legal database of plush lawyer jobs, with dozens of postings for every city? The fact is that if you haven't secured a job through OCI or a judicial clerkship, C-list is what you're stuck with.


The job you referred us to isn't a plush job. Any city, county, state, or federal website posts employment opportunities for those of us who are interested in public sector jobs. I'm not suggesting it's easy to get those jobs, but the govt is a source with a lot of legal job prospects. Netwroking helps too. Attending meetings for local organizations, volunteering if you can for non-profits and I've heard attending local bar orgs is very helpful in making contacts.

Look we've all heard over and over again about how terrible it is out there and why we shouldn't go to ls. The vast majority of people on here are aware of the risks of attending schools outside of the T20ish range and aren't going to be talked out of it by posts like yours, despite your good intentions. The rest are shooting for, accepted to or attending T20ish schools and will most likely not be struggling much to find jobs in 3,4,5+ years, even if that means less taking jobs with sub-100K salaries. How many times do we have to hear this. We get it.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby YCrevolution » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:24 pm

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Postby jmaan » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:26 pm

j2d3 wrote:I have a high paying job in IT. Been in the profession for 12 yrs. Hope 2 attend a top tier ls with an excellent cs. Dept. 4 a dual degree in either infoscience or cs (Ms or phd)... focusing on getting into jd program first. I know I can make enough in IT 2 both offset costs during school and payback loans. Maybe want 2 be general counsel at big IT company... maybe do Ip from. A policy standpoint. When done with ls, if I can't get a job then its global financial Armageddon and we're all fcked.
.together... ;)

Edit. .. excuse crazy typing... at a conference about Amazon cloud ifrastructure typing on my gphone. BORED




Thanks for telling me where you're typing from

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Postby laidoffjournalist » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:28 pm

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laidoffjournalist wrote: I too have decided law school cannot possibly be worse than my situation right now. Ha.


Then imagine graduating from law school with 6 figure debt and applying for THIS:

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Getting my degree in journalism has at least taught me to take debt seriously. Jobs aren't a guarantee, especially good paying ones and especially in this economy. People who take out those kinds of massive loans with no discernible gameplan are idiots. Me? I have no real gameplan either, except for only going to schools that give me some financial aid or merit scholarships. That reminds me, time to practice more logic games. Ugh.

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Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:06 pm

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MTal wrote:
laidoffjournalist wrote: I too have decided law school cannot possibly be worse than my situation right now. Ha.


Then imagine graduating from law school with 6 figure debt and applying for THIS:

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Getting my degree in journalism has at least taught me to take debt seriously. Jobs aren't a guarantee, especially good paying ones and especially in this economy. People who take out those kinds of massive loans with no discernible gameplan are idiots. Me? I have no real gameplan either, except for only going to schools that give me some financial aid or merit scholarships. That reminds me, time to practice more logic games. Ugh.


So when school did not work out for you, the obvious solution is EVEN MORE school?

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:07 pm

Apart from OCI which is only availabe to the top 10 % of students at most schools, could you please point us to the magical legal d

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LOL, WHAT? What does this mean? Care to explain?

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Postby laidoffjournalist » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:12 pm

MTal wrote:
laidoffjournalist wrote:
MTal wrote:
laidoffjournalist wrote: I too have decided law school cannot possibly be worse than my situation right now. Ha.


Then imagine graduating from law school with 6 figure debt and applying for THIS:

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Getting my degree in journalism has at least taught me to take debt seriously. Jobs aren't a guarantee, especially good paying ones and especially in this economy. People who take out those kinds of massive loans with no discernible gameplan are idiots. Me? I have no real gameplan either, except for only going to schools that give me some financial aid or merit scholarships. That reminds me, time to practice more logic games. Ugh.


So when school did not work out for you, the obvious solution is EVEN MORE school?

The solution was a new career path in an industry that won't cease to exist over the next ten years. My whole life my interest was in two things, writing the news or practicing law. I picked wrong at the wrong time. Now I'm going with the other. Hey, I'd be a doctor if I could, but I failed (dropped out of for fear that I would likely fail) chemistry twice in high school. I'd be a software programmer, but I suck at math. Here I am. My ultimate goal is to be a professor someday, but I think that's still a ways away. Either you're giving me shit for your amusement because I'm a stranger on a message board or you think there is a better idea. Let's hear it.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby YCrevolution » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:18 pm

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Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:19 pm

or you think there is a better idea.


Um, get.....a.....job...???

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:22 pm

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MTal wrote:LOL, WHAT? What does this mean? Care to explain?

Just like in football, a yellow card means a warning. The next infraction nets a red card (ban). Don't start off-topic threads in the wrong forums or make off-topic posts. It should also go without saying that when you're expressing your views on the future of the legal market and those wishing to get into it, you shouldn't be calling other users names.


Actually I don't believe my thread was "off-topic". I started that thread specifically in the law school admissions for precisely because I feel that 0L's need to have the current job information available to them, as opposed to the 3L's in the law student forum who already made the decision to go.

So let me get this straight, you feel that because I started a thread in the "wrong forum" (a highly debatable and subjective view) that just for that I need to get a "warning"?

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:26 pm

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MTal wrote:
YCrevolution wrote:
MTal wrote:LOL, WHAT? What does this mean? Care to explain?

Just like in football, a yellow card means a warning. The next infraction nets a red card (ban). Don't start off-topic threads in the wrong forums or make off-topic posts. It should also go without saying that when you're expressing your views on the future of the legal market and those wishing to get into it, you shouldn't be calling other users names.


Actually I don't believe my thread was "off-topic". I started that thread specifically in the law school admissions for precisely because I feel that 0L's need to have the current job information available to them, as opposed to the 3L's in the law student forum who already made the decision to go.

So let me get this straight, you feel that because I started a thread in the "wrong forum" (a highly debatable and subjective view) that just for that I need to get a "warning"?

In light of your usual behavior on TLS, yep.


My "usual behavior on TLS"? Could you explain that please?

Honestly, I'm getting the feeling that you're intent on banning me simply because you don't like what I have to say.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby YCrevolution » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:33 pm

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Postby laidoffjournalist » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:35 pm

MTal wrote:
or you think there is a better idea.


Um, get.....a.....job...???

Oh wow. You just solved all of my problems. You genius! That's a great idea! Newspapers are hiring left and right and offering raises to the staff they already have! And hey, having work experience in journalism is going to make it real easy to get a job in other fields during this wonderful economic period where barely anyone else will be applying to the same jobs as me. Basically, I have my pick of almost any job I want outside of fast food service. You are so right. Why would I go back to school now when I can just "get a job?"

/SARCASM.

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Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:39 pm

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MTal wrote:
or you think there is a better idea.


Um, get.....a.....job...???

Oh wow. You just solved all of my problems. You genius! That's a great idea! Newspapers are hiring left and right and offering raises to the staff they already have! And hey, having work experience in journalism is going to make it real easy to get a job in other fields during this wonderful economic period where barely anyone else will be applying to the same jobs as me. Basically, I have my pick of almost any job I want outside of fast food service. You are so right. Why would I go back to school now when I can just "get a job?"

/SARCASM.


Choice 1. Throw tens of thousands of more money away in the hopes of a small chance to find work as a lawyer.

Choice 2. Start somewhere at the bottom and eventually work your way up to a decent salary.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Edit: With choice 1, you have a substantial risk being faced with choice 2, except with thousands of dollars of more debt and 3 entire years of lost earnings.
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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:43 pm

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Believe whatever you want to believe.

For the sake of repetition: Don't start off-topic threads in the wrong forums or make off-topic posts. It should also go without saying that when you're expressing your views on the future of the legal market and those wishing to get into it, you shouldn't be calling other users names.


1. So posting employment information for 0L's so they can make a more informed decision about whether or not to attend law school is considered off topic?

2. I think the worst thing I have said in my last 100 posts is to call someone an "idiot". Given that much MUCH worse goes on here every day, I am forced to ask, why am I being singled out for something so incredibly minor?

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Postby laidoffjournalist » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:49 pm

MTal wrote:
laidoffjournalist wrote:
MTal wrote:
or you think there is a better idea.


Um, get.....a.....job...???

Oh wow. You just solved all of my problems. You genius! That's a great idea! Newspapers are hiring left and right and offering raises to the staff they already have! And hey, having work experience in journalism is going to make it real easy to get a job in other fields during this wonderful economic period where barely anyone else will be applying to the same jobs as me. Basically, I have my pick of almost any job I want outside of fast food service. You are so right. Why would I go back to school now when I can just "get a job?"

/SARCASM.


Choice 1. Throw tens of thousands of more money away in the hopes of a small chance to find work as a lawyer.

Choice 2. Start somewhere at the bottom and eventually work your way up to a decent salary.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Dude, don't you get it? Work my way up from the bottom of what? Who knows how long it could be until I found a good job. Maybe you are some kid who just graduated college and you think you know everything, but there aren't fucking jobs out there for entry level people. The economy sucks. People are going for jobs now they previously would've considered themselves overqualified for. I personally know people who have been out of work for over a year, despite looking. I guarantee my chances of finding work as a lawyer after law school are far better than my chances of finding work at a newspaper or magazine. I also noticed that all you seem to do here on TLS is pick fights with people. Must be fun. I'm not taking advice on how to plan my life from some prick who mocks strangers on the internet in his spare time. Thanks anyway for the advice, pal.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby laidoffjournalist » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:50 pm

MTal wrote:I think the worst thing I have said in my last 100 posts is to call someone an "idiot". Given that much MUCH worse goes on here every day, I am forced to ask, why am I being singled out for something so incredibly minor?

Because you contribute absolutely nothing positive or relevant to TLS and you're always an ass? Just saying.

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Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:50 pm

I guarantee my chances of finding work as a lawyer after law school are far better than my chances of finding work at a newspaper or magazine.


This is the fatal conceit that will doom half the people on this site.

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Postby laidoffjournalist » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:54 pm

Half the newspapers/magazines in this country will either be closed or be a fraction of their current size in five years. It's just a fact.

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Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:56 pm

laidoffjournalist wrote:Half the newspapers/magazines in this country will either be closed or be a fraction of their current size in five years. It's just a fact.


And you are relegated to working as a journalist....why?

I found a job in finance, and our training class had people with all sorts of degrees, from English to Econ, to hard sciences. There's a reason why it's termed the "generic" bachelor's degree.

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Postby laidoffjournalist » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:58 pm

Congrats to you. I can't get a job in finance. I'm bad at math.

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Postby MTal » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:03 am

laidoffjournalist wrote:Congrats to you. I can't get a job in finance. I'm bad at math.


Why do you keep making excuses for yourself? We don't need to know much more than the basic 4 operations.

Honestly, I think the problem is that you have a large sense of self-entitlement, i.e., you think you deserve to start from the top in a "prestigious" field like lawyering. Well guess what, prestige doesn't go very far when it comes to paying the bills. We can't all start at the top, except for doctors, which you yourself said you weren't suited for.

Start small doing WHATEVER. Teller at a bank, retail sales, etc...soon you will gain experience in wherever you work and your salary will increase. My friend started in the exact same position as I did a few years ago, and now he makes upwards of 70k with NO debt. Now contrast all of that with law school, and you will see why I think it is such a financially SUICIDAL decision.

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Postby laidoffjournalist » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:10 am

Right, but the thing is actually want to be a lawyer. I originally was a pre-law major. I've always dreamt about it and I think I'd be good at it. Trying desperately to work at any place that'll take me doesn't really appeal to me. As I said earlier, I'd be happier going to a low-ranked school with very little debt than I would be going to a top school and taking out six figures. I don't think law school has to be a mistake if you know what you're getting into. The problem is, too many people go who don't actually want to practice law but believe it is a magic degree that will get them six-figure jobs in BigLaw or jobs in other fields.

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Postby MTal » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:16 am

Well if that's your decision then good luck to you. Try and get in somewhere decent with a full ride. Work hard during 1L, then once you get your grades back, take stock of the situation.




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