Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

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USC2009
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Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby USC2009 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:15 pm

How valuable do you consider this list:

http://www.vault.com/lawschool/rankingtop25/index.jsp


I just found it and I thought it was interesting (even though the site sucks to navigate)

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:22 pm

USC2009 wrote:How valuable do you consider this list:

http://www.vault.com/lawschool/rankingtop25/index.jsp


I just found it and I thought it was interesting (even though the site sucks to navigate)

I thought it was interesting then I noticed that Yale isn't ranked #1.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby ShadowRabbit » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:23 pm

I consider that list as valuable as this list which i just made up:

1. Yale
2. Phoenix Online
3. Clown College
4. Harvard


So, not very valuable.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby ubermensch » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:24 pm

Interesting. Thanks for posting this.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby Harry Pothead » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:25 pm

ShadowRabbit wrote:I consider that list as valuable as this list which i just made up:

1. Yale
2. Phoenix Online
3. Clown College
4. Harvard


So, not very valuable.


Not really, since I believe hiring partners at top vault firms were consulted in crafting that ranking. Unless you did the same, I doubt your list is as valuable. I don't put much stock in the vault ranking, but I'm pretty certain it's slightly better than throwing darts randomly.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby Unemployed » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:39 pm

ShadowRabbit wrote:I consider that list as valuable as this list which i just made up:

1. Yale
2. Phoenix Online
3. Clown College
4. Harvard


So, not very valuable.


I'll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby kinch » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:53 pm

Unemployed wrote:
ShadowRabbit wrote:I consider that list as valuable as this list which i just made up:

1. Yale
2. Phoenix Online
3. Clown College
4. Harvard


So, not very valuable.


I'll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way.

great simpsons reference

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby Unemployed » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:58 pm

kinch wrote:
Unemployed wrote:
ShadowRabbit wrote:I consider that list as valuable as this list which i just made up:

1. Yale
2. Phoenix Online
3. Clown College
4. Harvard


So, not very valuable.


I'll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way.

great simpsons reference


Glad someone got the reference. :P

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby spinsta » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:00 pm

I mean, it's nice to see HYS take a humbling dive, but... I don't really believe it.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby Harry Pothead » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:01 pm

spinsta wrote:I mean, it's nice to see HYS take a humbling dive, but... I don't really believe it.


Yes, Stanford really took a humbling dive at a meager #1...

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby rayiner » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:02 pm

I-UB in the T14? Minnesota above GULC and UCLA? Iowa above UT? Bizarre.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby Unemployed » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:05 pm

My favorite one-word buzz zingers:

UC Berkeley = "Solipsistic"
GW = "Sleeper"
Minnesota = "Improving"

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby starlight007 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:06 pm

vault should just stick to ranking law firms, us news will typically dominate in the ranking ls arena

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby Archon D: terrorface » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:08 pm

I think the list is a very helpful alternative. I mean, if hiring law partners at top, high paying firms aren't qualified to assess the quality of a law school in terms of employment prospects and academic strength, who the hell is?

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby 18488 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:08 pm

Harvard is 6th and Indiana is above Cornell and GULC. Not buying it.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby starlight007 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:09 pm

Archon D: terrorface wrote:I think the list is a very helpful alternative. I mean, if hiring law partners at top, high paying firms aren't qualified to assess the quality of a law school in terms of employment prospects and academic strength, who the hell is?



very true

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby rayiner » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:18 pm

I do like seeing Stanford at #1, though. It seems S gets screwed by USNews and it's east-coast bias on every ranking.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby bigben » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:19 pm

starlight007 wrote:vault should just stick to ranking law firms, us news will typically dominate in the ranking ls arena


Actually, they are pretty bad at ranking law firms too.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby spondee » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:19 pm

On UVA: "Maybe it's the law school's emphasis on softball and beer, but the lack of work ethic shows in recent grads."

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby Aqualibrium » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:19 pm

"Vault surveyed only those people who directly assess the value of law school graduates in the real world once they enter the workforce- those individuals responsible for evaluating and hiring law school students. The respondents--who represent over 100 law firms"

I agree that these rankings can be very helpful. I think the skeptics might just be upset that their favorite schools and traditional powers are not at the top. I think it's entirely possible though that students from other schools are better prepared for the real world than someone who has had to endure the rigors of a Harvard law curriculum.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby Harry Pothead » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:21 pm

bigben wrote:
starlight007 wrote:vault should just stick to ranking law firms, us news will typically dominate in the ranking ls arena


Actually, they are pretty bad at ranking law firms too.


QFP
QFT
TITCR

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby bigben » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:22 pm

spondee wrote:On UVA: "Maybe it's the law school's emphasis on softball and beer, but the lack of work ethic shows in recent grads."



The rankings are useless, but the comments are excellent and very funny.

Yale: "Great lawyers if you can get them to focus on real world business issues instead of how they'd run the country"

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby starlight007 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:29 pm

Vault surveyed nearly 400 hiring partners, hiring committee members, associate interviewers and recruiting professionals across the country on which law schools best prepare their graduates to achieve in the firm environment.


so they mean "grind you to a bloody pulp" hours?

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby ruraljuror » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:32 pm

I think it's funny that they have a quote about UVA grads being "unnecessarily arrogant". I can't remember when I've met someone who was only as arrogant as necessary.

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Re: Vault's Top 25 Law School Rankings

Postby RVP11 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:34 pm

Love the comments on the best schools. "OMG they're so entitled and arrogant, big lazy assholes who are out of touch with legal practice, that's why we keep hiring anyone in the top 75% there".




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