Kohinoor wrote: tkgrrett wrote: CoaltoNewCastle wrote:
You looked at all the black applicants to a Harvardish school? If you really did and know for a fact that there were no better candidates, then I guess I'm wrong. While I understand that blacks get lower scores, I figured that among the portion of blacks who tend to go to top schools and don't grow up in black, underfunded communities there would be more than just a few getting 175's and higher. I'm certainly getting no help from LSN on this front.
LSAC ethnic applicant volume summary says 9,870 black applicants Fall 2009(of which 4,180 were admitted). I dont think that anyone doubts that a 99.5th percentile general population score is at the 99.9xth percentile for blacks. That would mean if we conservatively assume just 99.9 as the percentile, less that 10 blacks scored 175+.. if we assume something more moderate like 99.95 as the percentile rank for 175+ we get less than 5 blacks with score of 175+.. and at the extreme if we assume 99.98 as the percentile that leaves us with 1 or 2 black applicants getting a 175+.
EDIT: If not clear, the data I saw was for all black applicants at every ABA school for the cycle, not just Harvardish schools.
Applicants =/= test takers. conclusion flawed because premise flawed.
Yea, No data on test takers by ethnicity but trust me, the conclusion is not flawed. Not only is the number of black applicants with 175+ and 3.5+ only a few a year.. the number of black applicants with even 165+ and 3.5+ was only around 50 last cycle if I remember correctly. Black law applicants are just much much less qualified in general. Only 4,180 of 9,870 black applicants admitted last cycle. That is just incredibly bad. My sister actually had a friend last year applying to law school. The girl was a vandy undergrad, 3.5ish gpa in criminology(i know), member of the obligatory campus organizations and after all that only scored a 140 on the LSAT. For some reason(s) the LSAT is a major hurdle for the majority of otherwise qualified black applicants.
But yea, Yale (and Stanford to a lesser extent) is just a whole different ball game. Those guys have hundreds of applicants with phds, founders of service organizations, high level work experience, etc. To a certain degree at that level it takes on the randomness that you see with high level undergrad admissions.