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That's ridiculous and like saying that NYU grads will suffer on Wall Street because of Bernie Madoff. Chicago and Columbia = ties to both Milton Friedman and Barack Obama.DerrickRose wrote:Put it this way. If you voted for Obama go to American. If you voted for McCain go to GMU.PubIntLawyer wrote:So...seeing that we've come to the end of the bush admin, would american be a safer bet or do you think gmu will continue to be "bettter?"
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Anyway, the investigative report on the DOJ hiring practices (no one dispute that it was ideological) seems to indicate that graduates weren't favored or deselected because of their school but rather on their ties to the American Federalist Society instead of the American Constitution Society. Similarly, DOJ hires under the Bush administration came from both American and GMU. Evidence here: http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0806/final.pdf and, slightly, here http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/hp/lawschools.htm
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Bernie Madoff was just voted President of NYU?matt.l.b wrote:That's ridiculous and like saying that NYU grads will suffer on Wall Street because of Bernie Madoff.DerrickRose wrote:Put it this way. If you voted for Obama go to American. If you voted for McCain go to GMU.PubIntLawyer wrote:So...seeing that we've come to the end of the bush admin, would american be a safer bet or do you think gmu will continue to be "bettter?"
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Yes, Bernie Madoff to NYU exactly equals an Obama vote to the state of Washington DC hiring. Or, maybe, -1
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NYU was the T14 that lost 24 mil by investing in Madoff. You're thinking of Cardozo
Institutional ties and their good sense is the question in dispute. Not individual identities.
Institutional ties and their good sense is the question in dispute. Not individual identities.
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No, I was being sarcastic. The relation between Madoff and NYU is in no way similar to what you said it in response to (vote for Obama, go to American, etc.) I was making fun of your metaphor. I suppose I need to slow it down a bit for you. I'm sorry.matt.l.b wrote:NYU was the T14 that lost 24 mil by investing in Madoff. You're thinking of Cardozo
Let's start at the beginning. There is more than one school of economics....
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... and there is more than one type of law student at every school.
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This is like singing a duet, fun...
...yet some schools choose to push a single dogma on the various types of students...
...yet some schools choose to push a single dogma on the various types of students...
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I think that anyone going into public interest would be better served by American, but that's just my humble, not-incredibly-well-informed opinion. I know GMU is fairly conservative; thus, given such an image, I have a bit of a hard time imagining it very oriented towards public interest, an area that typically tends to be populated with students from liberal schools like NYU.
Also, I don't think that the link between law and economics is the gist of the story behind GMU's reputed conservatism. I'm a liberal and yet still inherently interested in ties between the two since I happen to consider economy the underpinning of just about any other aspect of society, law included. Moreover, University of Chicago has been practicing just such interdisciplinary approach for many years now and isn't considered nearly quite as conservative as GMU. I think the issue more so lies in the fact that their faculty tends to feverishly preach conservative dogma, which ultimately results in self-selection among prospective students, with conservatives choosing to apply and liberals keeping their distance.
I don't think GMU will continue to rise dramatically, and I don't see it cracking T20 any time soon, at least not soon enough to make substantial difference to the OP. USNWR's methodology doesn't exactly facilitate sharp, rapid rises when it comes to the upper rungs of the rankings ladder.
Disclaimer: I'm likely a little biased because I dislike GMU. I recently read a book review of Naomi Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' written by a GMU professor that made me cringe (poor reasoning likely caused by the ideological tin foil hat being its main drawback). So, if I were you, OP, I wouldn't go there. But that's just me.
Also, I don't think that the link between law and economics is the gist of the story behind GMU's reputed conservatism. I'm a liberal and yet still inherently interested in ties between the two since I happen to consider economy the underpinning of just about any other aspect of society, law included. Moreover, University of Chicago has been practicing just such interdisciplinary approach for many years now and isn't considered nearly quite as conservative as GMU. I think the issue more so lies in the fact that their faculty tends to feverishly preach conservative dogma, which ultimately results in self-selection among prospective students, with conservatives choosing to apply and liberals keeping their distance.
I don't think GMU will continue to rise dramatically, and I don't see it cracking T20 any time soon, at least not soon enough to make substantial difference to the OP. USNWR's methodology doesn't exactly facilitate sharp, rapid rises when it comes to the upper rungs of the rankings ladder.
Disclaimer: I'm likely a little biased because I dislike GMU. I recently read a book review of Naomi Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' written by a GMU professor that made me cringe (poor reasoning likely caused by the ideological tin foil hat being its main drawback). So, if I were you, OP, I wouldn't go there. But that's just me.
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Well said.dresden doll wrote:I think that anyone going into public interest would be better served by American, but that's just my humble, not-incredibly-well-informed opinion. I know GMU is fairly conservative; thus, given such an image, I have a bit of a hard time imagining it very oriented towards public interest, an area that typically tends to be populated with students from liberal schools like NYU.
Also, I don't think that the link between law and economics is the gist of the story behind GMU's reputed conservatism. I'm a liberal and yet still inherently interested in ties between the two since I happen to consider economy the underpinning of just about any other aspect of society, law included. Moreover, University of Chicago has been practicing just such interdisciplinary approach for many years now and isn't considered nearly quite as conservative as GMU. I think the issue more so lies in the fact that their faculty tends to feverishly preach conservative dogma, which ultimately results in self-selection among prospective students, with conservatives choosing to apply and liberals keeping their distance.
I don't think GMU will continue to rise dramatically, and I don't see it cracking T20 any time soon, at least not soon enough to make substantial difference to the OP. USNWR's methodology doesn't exactly facilitate sharp, rapid rises when it comes to the upper rungs of the rankings ladder.
Disclaimer: I'm likely a little biased because I dislike GMU. I recently read a book review of Naomi Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' written by a GMU professor that made me cringe (poor reasoning likely caused by the ideological tin foil hat being its main drawback). So, if I were you, OP, I wouldn't go there. But that's just me.
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Here-in lies the point: liberalism is etymologically pure to the root: it literally is liberal to views; NEOCONS on the other hand, are dogmatizers and catechizers
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They'll settle around 30-35.
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Georgetown & GW = Top 20.
GMU & American = T30-T40.
Top law firms aim for Top 20 schools.
Government jobs go primarily to lower tier schools. (exception: SCOTUS)
Who cares what the Bush Admin did or who the Obama admin might hire?
GMU & American = T30-T40.
Top law firms aim for Top 20 schools.
Government jobs go primarily to lower tier schools. (exception: SCOTUS)
Who cares what the Bush Admin did or who the Obama admin might hire?
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Meh. Pragmatism will trump idealogy (left or right) every time, because it bases decisions upon an honest analysis of facts. An Obama administration that made decisions by consulting DailyKos would be as incompetent and unsuccessful as the Bush presidency. The strongest argument for giving Democrats power is that they are not currently dominated by their far wing, unlike the Republicans.tbx59 wrote:Here-in lies the point: liberalism is etymologically pure to the root: it literally is liberal to views; NEOCONS on the other hand, are dogmatizers and catechizers
GMU will find future gains harder to come by. They are getting to a point where they will be competing with schools like Emory that have serious endowments to throw around.
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For what it's worth, I think that you should take the opinion of your future employers in consideration. The pre-law advisor at my UG discouraged me from applying to GMU, because he said it is not well-regarded at all within the legal community. I took his advice, even though I did have a fee waiver and think I had a good chance at being accepted. That's just my two cents, though.
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It's funny...Bush is the skapegoat for all the world's problems, including GMU's predicted fall in the rankings by a liberal. Now that he's gone, can we please start getting real? Last I checked, rankings were not based on the prevailing politics of the day. I also think that GMU and their graduates would be insulted by such a claim. Because, as we all now know, if you disagree with a liberal, you are close minded. Period. Liberals just can't stand it when conservatives are successful. Or when presumeably conservative academic institutions gain credibility. Oh, it must be "Oil for Rankings" under the Bush Administration, because such a school would never go up in rankings on its own. That's impossible.
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I laughed.showNprove wrote:I blame Bush for your unduly slanted opinion.screech wrote:It's funny...Bush is the skapegoat for all the world's problems, including GMU's predicted fall in the rankings by a liberal. Now that he's gone, can we please start getting real? Last I checked, rankings were not based on the prevailing politics of the day. I also think that GMU and their graduates would be insulted by such a claim. Because, as we all now know, if you disagree with a liberal, you are close minded. Period. Liberals just can't stand it when conservatives are successful. Or when presumeably conservative academic institutions gain credibility. Oh, it must be "Oil for Rankings" under the Bush Administration, because such a school would never go up in rankings on its own. That's impossible.
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I've also heard stories about GMU's sour rep with DC area law firms.
But whether it's GMU, American, Maryland, Catholic or Howard ... DC law schools all take a serious backseat to Georgetown and GW. I don't see that ever changing, even if Georgetown should ever drop from the T14 or if GMU possibly moved up in the rankings.
But whether it's GMU, American, Maryland, Catholic or Howard ... DC law schools all take a serious backseat to Georgetown and GW. I don't see that ever changing, even if Georgetown should ever drop from the T14 or if GMU possibly moved up in the rankings.
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It's not successful conservatives I can't stand. It's conservatives who catastrophically run the economy into the ground that I can't stand. To say nothing of ignoring human rights and chipping away at our freedoms.Liberals just can't stand it when conservatives are successful.
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This may all be true but their revisionist history will make things all better again!Formerbruin wrote:It's not successful conservatives I can't stand. It's conservatives who catastrophically run the economy into the ground that I can't stand. To say nothing of ignoring human rights and chipping away at our freedoms.Liberals just can't stand it when conservatives are successful.
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Republicans contributed to downfall of the economy after they took office and stopped being fiscally conservative. So can we stop using the terms Republican and conservative as if they are still interchangeable?Formerbruin wrote: It's not successful conservatives I can't stand. It's conservatives who catastrophically run the economy into the ground that I can't stand. To say nothing of ignoring human rights and chipping away at our freedoms.
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Does American have a better rep with dc government/firms etc than gmu?
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What's funny is that you (and others) try to wave this off as spooky liberal voodoo, when in fact several people here have spelled out quite plainly WHY the Bush administration's illegal hiring practices would benefit a school like GMU.screech wrote:It's funny...Bush is the skapegoat for all the world's problems, including GMU's predicted fall in the rankings by a liberal. Now that he's gone, can we please start getting real? Last I checked, rankings were not based on the prevailing politics of the day. I also think that GMU and their graduates would be insulted by such a claim. Because, as we all now know, if you disagree with a liberal, you are close minded. Period. Liberals just can't stand it when conservatives are successful. Or when presumeably conservative academic institutions gain credibility. Oh, it must be "Oil for Rankings" under the Bush Administration, because such a school would never go up in rankings on its own. That's impossible.
What's more, it needs to be clear the problem isn't with conservatives, Republicans, or conservativism, per se, but rather with the incredibly corrupt assholes in the Bush administration, who happen to be conservative Republicans. Unethical and illegal hiring practices aren't so much an ideological problem, but rather a problem stemming from how totally fucked up Bush and his minions are.
It would also help to pull your head out of you ass and see the Bush administration for the jackasses they are. Or maybe you think illegal hiring practices and then lying to Congress about it is A-OK for the Justice Dept.
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GMU had an amazing run in the 06 tourney, but thinking that a team that plays in the Colonial Athletic Association can get ranked in the top 20 is a bit of a stretch...
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True, but have you seen VCU play? They're legit, and capable of making a run into the Sweet 16.HipHopAPotamus wrote:GMU had an amazing run in the 06 tourney, but thinking that a team that plays in the Colonial Athletic Association can get ranked in the top 20 is a bit of a stretch...
And if the conspiracy theorists could take a break that'd be great. Thanks.
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