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Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction

Postby taylorharris24 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:30 pm

For the sake of laziness I'm just gonna copy and paste my profile description.

Interned with congressman, interned with Prudential Financial, Founder and president of school's investment club, Division 2 basketball player, attended a 3 week mission trip to Puerto Rico, Started and ran my own small, non-profit t shirt business: http://www.childsplayapparel.org/
Recipient of business department award as well as numerous sports academic awards. Highest GPA in the GNAC for division 2 basketball. Currently working as a conflicts clerk at a mid-sized law firm in Portland Or (Schwabe Williamson & Wyatt).

My absolute dream school is Harvard. My diagnostic was 148 and after getting through three months of Powerscore's 1 year study plan I got up to 157. I have been living with my parents since I graduated and was able to save up for a tutor. We are pretty much starting over so I haven't taken a practice test in a little over a month. My gpa is 3.96 but I haven't sent my transcripts to LSAT to calculate the official. I know that if end LSAT score is not high I'll receive a ton of "retake" comments. What I really want to know is if I don't reach 170 despite my absolute full effort (which I absolutely will give) and end in the high 160's, can I still have a decent chance at Harvard? I am more than willing to drown in student debt. It really comes down to a pride and sentimental value for me. All comments are greatly appreciated.

thx for reading

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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction

Postby QContinuum » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:12 pm

With a LSAT in the high 160s, yes, you'd have a realistic chance at getting into HLS given your 3.96 GPA (assuming that's your LSAC GPA - do you have any reason to suspect your LSAC GPA might be lower? usually this happens when applicants have attended a previous college and did poorly there, or have had one or more bad grades "forgiven" by their school and excluded from their school-reported GPA).

But focus on actually getting that LSAT first. You won't be getting in to HLS (unless you're a URM) with your current LSAT score.

Also, this may fall on deaf ears, but I'd strongly urge you against having a Harvard-or-bust attitude. While Harvard is definitely a great law school, it's probably a full step below Y/S in prestige and only half a step or so above CCN. And as you know, given your GPA, if you can get your LSAT up, you'd likely be able to get substantial $ aid at CCN and down. (Admittedly it's entirely possible you'll end up getting your LSAT up to a point where you can get into Harvard and CCN etc., but not high enough for substantial $ at CCN etc., in which case HLS would certainly be the best option.)

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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction

Postby taylorharris24 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:25 pm

Wow thx for the quick response. No my GPA shouldn't change then. I was just unsure how they calculate it. I had no idea Harvard was regarded a little lower then YS. Could you point me to a source where I could read more about this? I believe you, I just think I was overestimating how much I knew about the top law schools given this information eluded me.

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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction

Postby QContinuum » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:59 pm

taylorharris24 wrote:Wow thx for the quick response. No my GPA shouldn't change then. I was just unsure how they calculate it.


You can see https://www.lsac.org/applying-law-schoo ... marization for the actual rubric, but yes, if you don't have any "forgiven" grades or other previous college grades, your GPA shouldn't change.

taylorharris24 wrote:I had no idea Harvard was regarded a little lower then YS. Could you point me to a source where I could read more about this? I believe you, I just think I was overestimating how much I knew about the top law schools given this information eluded me.


USNWR https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sc ... w-rankings is generally accurate. The top thirteen schools are generally regarded as the "best" in the country, roughly in the order they're ranked in USNWR. Based on TLS' collected wisdom, and on personal observations, the prestige pecking order is approximately:

Yale
Stanford
Harvard
Chicago
Columbia / NYU
Penn / Michigan / Berkeley / UVA / Duke
Northwestern
Cornell

There's some disagreement about whether Chicago's actually better than Columbia/NYU, or whether Penn should be lumped in with Columbia/NYU, but generally the order above is accurate.

Relevant to you, Yale/Stanford are substantially harder to get into than Harvard and down. Harvard and down focus mainly on LSAT and GPA; Yale/Stanford generally require super strong softs in addition to stellar LSAT/GPA.

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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction

Postby albanach » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:23 pm

QContinuum wrote:With a LSAT in the high 160s, yes, you'd have a realistic chance at getting into HLS given your 3.96 GPA (assuming that's your LSAC GPA - do you have any reason to suspect your LSAC GPA might be lower? usually this happens when applicants have attended a previous college and did poorly there, or have had one or more bad grades "forgiven" by their school and excluded from their school-reported GPA).

But focus on actually getting that LSAT first. You won't be getting in to HLS (unless you're a URM) with your current LSAT score.

Also, this may fall on deaf ears, but I'd strongly urge you against having a Harvard-or-bust attitude. While Harvard is definitely a great law school, it's probably a full step below Y/S in prestige and only half a step or so above CCN. And as you know, given your GPA, if you can get your LSAT up, you'd likely be able to get substantial $ aid at CCN and down. (Admittedly it's entirely possible you'll end up getting your LSAT up to a point where you can get into Harvard and CCN etc., but not high enough for substantial $ at CCN etc., in which case HLS would certainly be the best option.)


MyLSN suggests they'd have to be very high in the 160s and hit an admissions officer having a good day.

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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction

Postby taylorharris24 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:44 pm

Wow I am so impressed. I have been using this website to read forums for a long time the response time here is unbelievable. Thank you very much. Maybe in a few months I will post an update.

Much appreciated!

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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction

Postby taylorharris24 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:31 pm

I might just turn this thread into my lsat story for my own personal motivation. I will not disappear. Anyways, I took another practice test, the first one in 2 or 3 three months. 150 lol. I had taken three before, but for this one i actually included an experimental section as well as a proctor. I completely froze on games and didnt even get to attempt the last one. It was crushing at first but i honestly feel great again. I plan on taking a test a weekend until Jan then I will be taking minimum of 2 a week. I'm pumped. Feels like I have been waiting months to finally start consistently taking PTs. I plan on taking em all.

Hoping all those who took in November did well.

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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction

Postby QContinuum » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:54 pm

It sounds to me like you should be focusing more on mastering LG first instead of just brute-forcing your way through whole PT after whole PT. You aren't yet at the stage where that might help. Since you're shooting for the top, you must focus on getting your LG to -0 consistently. So long as you're still at risk of freezing on LG, you shouldn't be just drilling PTs. You have more work to do first to master LG.

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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction

Postby taylorharris24 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:42 pm

QContinuum wrote:It sounds to me like you should be focusing more on mastering LG first instead of just brute-forcing your way through whole PT after whole PT. You aren't yet at the stage where that might help. Since you're shooting for the top, you must focus on getting your LG to -0 consistently. So long as you're still at risk of freezing on LG, you shouldn't be just drilling PTs. You have more work to do first to master LG.


Ugh thank you!! I had a small suspicion of this but really wasn't quite sure. I should have asked this, but I am glad you pointed it out. It seems like most people are doing the 7 sage method or something similar. I'm definitely gonna start focusing on drilling. I've read different methods for what to use for drilling, some say PTs 1-40 for drilling LG, I've also seen 20-50 in a few threads. Do you have a recommendation or a number you see often? I'm about to buy all of the prep tests I don't currently have off amazon. Also, im guessing that people use all of these PTs for drilling? That is, they don't simply disregard the other sections that arent LG?

I also took another practice test last sunday before I read this. I got 151. never feels good seeing these scores but I'm gonna celebrate every gained point no matter how small. I did slightly better on games as i was able to start each one, but again, i feel so mentally fatigued by the time i get there I just cant get my setups right. Once I am fresh and review it seems so obvious. I also wasn't able to reach the last RC section. On my other PT i finished every section with time to spare, other than LG, while with this one I didn't finish a single section on time. I think I'm gonna stick with the slow approach.



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