Convince me not to go to law school

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BarelyConcealedRage

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Convince me not to go to law school

Postby BarelyConcealedRage » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:15 am

Give me a route to impprove myself in a field kf work that isnt law, but (assuming a dual income household) allow for me to do the following:

- Provide for my parents retirement
- Enjoy life (have a vacation every now and then)
- Allow me not to fear for basic necessities (housing, healthcare, education)

Because if your answer is just for me to stay at my deadend benefit-less sales job I would rather just put a bullet through my skull to be honest.

I'm open to anything. I've lost any sense of passion at this point. I've accepted I dont get the luxury of enhoying my job, most people don't.

Stats: 3.8, 170. Toilet Paper (political science) degree. Give me another option. I hate my current job and hate sales with a passion. And I'm paid garbage for it.

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Re: Convince me not to go to law school

Postby QContinuum » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:00 am

BarelyConcealedRage wrote:Give me a route to impprove myself in a field kf work that isnt law, but (assuming a dual income household) allow for me to do the following:

- Provide for my parents retirement
- Enjoy life (have a vacation every now and then)
- Allow me not to fear for basic necessities (housing, healthcare, education)


The good news is, that's a very low bar that you've set. Many careers will allow you to keep a roof over your head and support a family. Most of these careers do not require first sacrificing three years and taking on up to six figures of debt. You could teach. Go into politics (actually put your poli sci degree to use?!). Join an advocacy organization. Work in state/local government. Pursue a non-sales corporate job, at your current company or elsewhere. Transition to marketing. Start your own business. Become a nurse or PA. Pursue tax or accounting. Find a trade gig (don't look down on blue-collar jobs, many of the trades pay very well). The possibilities are endless.

BarelyConcealedRage wrote:Because if your answer is just for me to stay at my deadend benefit-less sales job I would rather just put a bullet through my skull to be honest.

I've accepted I dont get the luxury of enhoying my job, most people don't.


These two sentences contradict each other.

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Re: Convince me not to go to law school

Postby BarelyConcealedRage » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:11 am

QContinuum wrote:
BarelyConcealedRage wrote:Give me a route to impprove myself in a field kf work that isnt law, but (assuming a dual income household) allow for me to do the following:

- Provide for my parents retirement
- Enjoy life (have a vacation every now and then)
- Allow me not to fear for basic necessities (housing, healthcare, education)


The good news is, that's a very low bar that you've set. Many careers will allow you to keep a roof over your head and support a family. Most of these careers do not require first sacrificing three years and taking on up to six figures of debt. You could teach. Go into politics (actually put your poli sci degree to use?!). Join an advocacy organization. Work in state/local government. Pursue a non-sales corporate job, at your current company or elsewhere. Transition to marketing. Start your own business. Become a nurse or PA. Pursue tax or accounting. Find a trade gig (don't look down on blue-collar jobs, many of the trades pay very well). The possibilities are endless.

BarelyConcealedRage wrote:Because if your answer is just for me to stay at my deadend benefit-less sales job I would rather just put a bullet through my skull to be honest.

I've accepted I dont get the luxury of enhoying my job, most people don't.


These two sentences contradict each other.

If I was paid decently I could stomach my sales job. I'm not, I can't do the things I listed in the bullet I can barelt support myself.

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Re: Convince me not to go to law school

Postby albanach » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:03 pm

BarelyConcealedRage wrote:
Stats: 3.8, 170. Toilet Paper (political science) degree. Give me another option. I hate my current job and hate sales with a passion. And I'm paid garbage for it.


Unless you want to be a lawyer, you're likely to not enjoy it and resent the fact you're working so much that you can't even enjoy the earnings. You'll end up paying crazy money to rent a Manhattan apartment so you get an extra 45 minutes to enjoy not commuting or being at work.

That said, if you want to do law school, work at it a little more and nudge that LSAT higher. Do whatever you can to maximize scholarship $$$ so you can minimize debt. Then, if you're smart, you can either look for legal jobs that don't pay like biglaw but which offer more job satisfaction, or you can do biglaw and make serious savings that can fund an exit strategy.

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Re: Convince me not to go to law school

Postby totesTheGoat » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:34 pm

BarelyConcealedRage wrote:- Provide for my parents retirement


Weird, but i'll go along with it. How much do you plan on paying your parents annually in their retirement?

- Enjoy life (have a vacation every now and then)


In my experience, "having a vacation every now and then" is usually not what's meant when people want to "enjoy life". How many vacations, how often, how expensive? What else are you looping into "enjoying life" that is unstated in your flippant post?

- Allow me not to fear for basic necessities (housing, healthcare, education)


Hate to break it to you, but a paycheck won't change your emotions. It's just as easy to blow through $180k as it is to blow through $35k if you're not paying attention to your finances. Some of the brokest people I know make 6 figures. Some of the most financially secure people I know have never made above $60k. I've seen single moms making $35k pay off their cars and their mortgage. I've seen families making $250k get their electric shut off.

*snipped out all the self-pitying whining*


Even though your stats are good, you shouldn't go to law school right now. Your mindset is wrong, and you will end up with a poor outcome because of it. The single worst way to approach law school is out of desperation. That's how you make poor decisions. That's how you end up working 85 hours a week at a legal job you hate, wishing that you were at your abjectly horrible sales job again.

In your shoes, here's what I'd do.

1) get your financial house in order. I don't know (or care) what you make currently, but there are people making it on less than you. Usually they don't have car payments, they don't buy a bunch of frivolous crap, they don't eat out very often, and they track their money to the penny to make sure it is being spent on their priorities, and not on their whims.

2) start planning your exit from your current job. I'm not you, so I can't tell you what field to work in, but there are 100 million people out there with 100 million jobs.. i'm sure you can find one that you're qualified for. From oil and gas to software development, there's a vast spectrum of jobs available to you. Your long term exit plan can be law school if you're genuinely interested in law, but you need to get the stench of desperation off of you before you can make a sober decision about law school. If I were you, id work a different job for a year or two before making a final decision on law school.

3) you need a shift in mindset. The first two things I noticed when I read your post are that you're acting like a victim and you're acting desperate. Both of those mindsets are fatally toxic when you're trying to build a career path. Rather than compounding your poor decision making thus far, approach your present crisis from a new mindset. Research the hell out of your options, weigh costs and benefits. Determine a course of action that shuts the fewest doors financially, career path-wise, etc.

4) Evaluate your obligation to fund your parents' retirement. Perhaps this is a cultural difference, but I would balk if my parents expected me to help them retire. Saving for retirement was their responsibility, and my finances have been separate from theirs since I graduated high school. For your parents to burden you with paying for their retirement while you're broke seems very selfish to me.



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