Is it worth it if you don’t go to a T15 (Top 15)

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Is it worth it if you don’t go to a T15 (Top 15)

Postby Toby247 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:13 pm

I’m currently waiting on some applications that I have sumbited but I’ve been told that if you don’t get into a top 15 law school don’t bother going. Just wanted to know what your opinion is on this. As it currently stands I can get into a 75th ranked school.

What I was thinking was taking time off of work and studying to try to get a 165 score. But I would lose a year in the process. Thoughts?

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Re: Is it worth it if you don’t go to a T15 (Top 15)

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:18 pm

Depends upon your employment goals. If you want biglaw, then you probably need to attend a very highly ranked law school (T-15).

Almost always better to retake the LSAT in order to get more scholarship offers as well as admittance to T-20 law schools.

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Re: Is it worth it if you don’t go to a T15 (Top 15)

Postby Yulifus » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:07 pm

Unless you go to a law school that will make you unemployable after graduation, then the answer is yes. You don't need a law degree from NYU or Columbia to be a successful attorney.

There are plenty of attorneys with successful careers who went to tier 2, 3, 4 law schools.

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Re: Is it worth it if you don’t go to a T15 (Top 15)

Postby AspiringAspirant » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:40 pm

The answer here is nuanced and depends on a variety of factors, including how much financial aid you receive, how flexible you want to be with where you work, how flexible you want to be with what your job is/how much money you make, etc. A blanket statement like "t15 or bust" is not true in all circumstances, but is true in some.

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Re: Is it worth it if you don’t go to a T15 (Top 15)

Postby Bartlet4President » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:28 pm

Toby247 wrote:I’m currently waiting on some applications that I have sumbited but I’ve been told that if you don’t get into a top 15 law school don’t bother going. Just wanted to know what your opinion is on this. As it currently stands I can get into a 75th ranked school.

What I was thinking was taking time off of work and studying to try to get a 165 score. But I would lose a year in the process. Thoughts?



Don’t pay for law school. What you are getting from “75” isn’t going to be much different than “120” ranked law school; considering the fact that the opportunity is nearly equal, don’t pay for law school. Be a hustler. There is a lot more than big law.

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Re: Is it worth it if you don’t go to a T15 (Top 15)

Postby totesTheGoat » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:56 am

Toby247 wrote:I’m currently waiting on some applications that I have sumbited but I’ve been told that if you don’t get into a top 15 law school don’t bother going. Just wanted to know what your opinion is on this. As it currently stands I can get into a 75th ranked school.

What I was thinking was taking time off of work and studying to try to get a 165 score. But I would lose a year in the process. Thoughts?


1) "Losing a year" is something children worry about. Adults don't care if you graduate at 25 or 26 (or 36 for that matter). Focus on the outcome (getting a job as a lawyer), not on the process.

2) Rankings matter until they don't. Rankings matter most when you're taking large financial risk in the hope of getting a large financial reward. If you're going to take out a quarter million in loans to try to get biglaw, don't go to the 75th ranked school. If you're going to cashflow law school and hang your own shingle, the 75th ranked school is fine. You have to understand why rankings matter to understand when rankings matter.

3) There are two metrics that matter for law school: cost and job placement. Everything else is fluff. Most (read: every) schools cost waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much for their job placement statistics. (There are websites out there like Law School Transparency that show job placement stats for most schools) That's why you never pay sticker price for law school. The stats get worse the further down the rankings list you go. Do you want to gamble $250k on a 2% chance of making it into biglaw? Plenty of schools will happily take your student loan money and let you try it.

4) The success or failure of your LSAT studying regimen can mean hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of difference in the offers you get from schools. Treat it like a part-time job. You can find 20 hours per week to study (probably without even quitting your job), and you need to eat, sleep, and breathe LSAT until it starts clicking for you and you get the score you want. Experiment with different study materials, different study methods, different classes. Invest in your LSAT success like $150k is on the line, because it is!

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Re: Is it worth it if you don’t go to a T15 (Top 15)

Postby Bartlet4President » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:33 pm

totesTheGoat wrote:
Toby247 wrote:I’m currently waiting on some applications that I have sumbited but I’ve been told that if you don’t get into a top 15 law school don’t bother going. Just wanted to know what your opinion is on this. As it currently stands I can get into a 75th ranked school.

What I was thinking was taking time off of work and studying to try to get a 165 score. But I would lose a year in the process. Thoughts?


1) "Losing a year" is something children worry about. Adults don't care if you graduate at 25 or 26 (or 36 for that matter). Focus on the outcome (getting a job as a lawyer), not on the process.

2) Rankings matter until they don't. Rankings matter most when you're taking large financial risk in the hope of getting a large financial reward. If you're going to take out a quarter million in loans to try to get biglaw, don't go to the 75th ranked school. If you're going to cashflow law school and hang your own shingle, the 75th ranked school is fine. You have to understand why rankings matter to understand when rankings matter.

3) There are two metrics that matter for law school: cost and job placement. Everything else is fluff. Most (read: every) schools cost waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much for their job placement statistics. (There are websites out there like Law School Transparency that show job placement stats for most schools) That's why you never pay sticker price for law school. The stats get worse the further down the rankings list you go. Do you want to gamble $250k on a 2% chance of making it into biglaw? Plenty of schools will happily take your student loan money and let you try it.

4) The success or failure of your LSAT studying regimen can mean hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of difference in the offers you get from schools. Treat it like a part-time job. You can find 20 hours per week to study (probably without even quitting your job), and you need to eat, sleep, and breathe LSAT until it starts clicking for you and you get the score you want. Experiment with different study materials, different study methods, different classes. Invest in your LSAT success like $150k is on the line, because it is!




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