leoCane wrote: UVA2B wrote:
leoCane wrote:Relax. I agree with most of what you said, but you are mischaracterizing what my point was in providing my own case, which was to illustrate that LSAT/GPA is not everything. I'm sure that most can agree with that. As for OP's case, I do not think it is unreasonable to assume that OP has a possibility with Vandy and UT (no matter how slight) given the stats and if other components of app are above average compared to others. Like I said, my case is to illustrate that to say the rest of your app does not matter is just not true. Never assessed OP's chances of getting in either, just wished OP luck and having optimism for their sake; don't see anything wrong with that.
I try not to actively argue with 0Ls about why they're mistaken, so I'll hold off here. I appreciate you wanting to give the OP hope, and you want them to remain optimistic, even if it's terribly misguided. Your contextless point is a good one, which is that other things will be considered in determining their admissions chances. I provided that context that needs to be understood for any 0L reading it.
Best of luck with the rest of your admissions cycle.
Why is remaining optimistic in their case misguided? The chart provided by Platopus shows OP having 46% at UT and 22% at Vandy; it's not completely unreasonable to have a little hope. Also, y contextless point was a response to someone saying before that other aspects of the app don't matter. While obvious, I felt obligated to say otherwise.
Regardless, thanks for wishing me luck. Wish you luck with your endeavors as well.
You're new here, so this is fair. Optimism isn't in and of itself a bad thing, because people pull rabbits out of hats regularly in admissions (more below on what this really means). The data we use is self-supplied data that we simultaneously trust while we can't verify. But when we are talking about managing expectations for people asking for advice, it's paramount the TLS community give advice based on what is most likely to happen, not what is possible to happen, unless there is good reason to suggest what is possible to happen is remotely likely. Of course the OP could punch above their weight for reasons already mentioned (political asylum is probably a huge relative-to-URM boost in this environment, IIRC), but the ultimate value here is trying to give fellow members of the community the most accurate advice, not necessarily the most optimistic advice. Sometimes they align, but often they don't. We can't predict whether OP will be in the coin flip at UT or Vandy with any certainty, so while it's true they may sneak into UT or Vandy at full price, that may not be the best advice. This particular applicant may have LSAT points left on the table that would improve their lot in admissions, and depending on what they want with a law degree, retaking the LSAT may be their best bet. We don't know that most of the time from the outset. But even if we don't give the tired "retake" advice, there is still important things to consider, like whether or not the person seeking advice has other things they should consider. You wanted to provide the optimist POV, which isn't wrong, but it might create a cognitive dissidence if the community creates that dissidence. As it stands, the OP is unlikely to get what they want, however broadly we define that (I have a serious personal issue with treating admissions in law school as an end goal, but I accept that's more the norm). They have some control over that, but it involves doing things that aren't already on their application.
I guess my most succinct explanation of what optimism should be like in admissions is this: assume you're the rule, not the exception, and even if you're the exception, do you actually want to be?