How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

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How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby magnolia18 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:01 pm

I have an LSAT of 167 and a GPA of 3.92 (3.96 as calculated by LSAC). I think these numbers make getting into top 10 law schools (or top 20 with $$$) possible but not guaranteed. However, I graduated from a highly selective and well-regarded liberal arts college (ranked in the top 10 among LACs by US News and the top 5 among colleges overall by Forbes). Would this provide a significant boost to my applications and make admission and scholarships more likely, or does it not really matter because most other people applying also went to prestigious colleges? For context, I'm not URM, my softs are average and I have 1 year of work experience.

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby sparkytrainer » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:02 pm

Wont make a drop of difference

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby Barack O'Drama » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:12 pm

I disagree that undergrad prestige doesn't make a drop of difference. It won't make any substantial difference, but it may give you a bit of a boost.

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby Pozzo » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:42 pm

It makes very little difference. HYP does sometimes move the needle (or so I'm told), but a top 10 liberal arts college likely will not. With your GPA, though, please consider taking the LSAT again. If you're graduating from a top college with a near 4.0, you should be able to pick up at least a few more points on the LSAT which will give you a much better chance at top programs than any imagined prestige boost will.

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby AaronCarter » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:44 pm

A 3.3 at Berkeley means more than a 3.3 from a po-dunk school in the middle of nowhere.

Either way tho, get the best gpa you can.

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby april_ludgate » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:47 pm

Pozzo wrote:It makes very little difference. HYP does sometimes move the needle (or so I'm told), but a top 10 liberal arts college likely will not. With your GPA, though, please consider taking the LSAT again. If you're graduating from a top college with a near 4.0, you should be able to pick up at least a few more points on the LSAT which will give you a much better chance at top programs than any imagined prestige boost will.


HYP but not Columbia, Penn, Darthmouth?

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby cavalier1138 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:48 pm

AaronCarter wrote:A 3.3 at Berkeley means more than a 3.3 from a po-dunk school in the middle of nowhere.


Does it? There's really very little objective evidence that school pedigree receives much (if any) weight in decisions. It's another correlation/causation issue.

OP: retake. Your numbers give you ok chances at the T13 (T10 is a dumb cutoff), but you're literally leaving tens of thousands in scholarship funding on the table with that LSAT.

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby Pozzo » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:55 pm

april_ludgate wrote:
Pozzo wrote:It makes very little difference. HYP does sometimes move the needle (or so I'm told), but a top 10 liberal arts college likely will not. With your GPA, though, please consider taking the LSAT again. If you're graduating from a top college with a near 4.0, you should be able to pick up at least a few more points on the LSAT which will give you a much better chance at top programs than any imagined prestige boost will.


HYP but not Columbia, Penn, Darthmouth?

I dunno. You're talking to StateU here, so I may not appreciate the finer points of Ivy prestige. Bottom line is it doesn't really matter.

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby pancakes3 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:56 pm

april_ludgate wrote:
Pozzo wrote:It makes very little difference. HYP does sometimes move the needle (or so I'm told), but a top 10 liberal arts college likely will not. With your GPA, though, please consider taking the LSAT again. If you're graduating from a top college with a near 4.0, you should be able to pick up at least a few more points on the LSAT which will give you a much better chance at top programs than any imagined prestige boost will.


HYP but not Columbia, Penn, Darthmouth?


Lol, by far.
Stanford is also more prestigious than nominal iveys.

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby april_ludgate » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:57 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
april_ludgate wrote:
Pozzo wrote:It makes very little difference. HYP does sometimes move the needle (or so I'm told), but a top 10 liberal arts college likely will not. With your GPA, though, please consider taking the LSAT again. If you're graduating from a top college with a near 4.0, you should be able to pick up at least a few more points on the LSAT which will give you a much better chance at top programs than any imagined prestige boost will.


HYP but not Columbia, Penn, Darthmouth?


Lol, by far.
Stanford is also more prestigious than nominal iveys.


As someone from one of those schools you hurt my feelings :( /s

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby sparkytrainer » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:58 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
april_ludgate wrote:
Pozzo wrote:It makes very little difference. HYP does sometimes move the needle (or so I'm told), but a top 10 liberal arts college likely will not. With your GPA, though, please consider taking the LSAT again. If you're graduating from a top college with a near 4.0, you should be able to pick up at least a few more points on the LSAT which will give you a much better chance at top programs than any imagined prestige boost will.


HYP but not Columbia, Penn, Darthmouth?


Lol, by far.
Stanford is also more prestigious than nominal iveys.


So are a bunch of other schools, like Duke and MIT. Stanford, Duke, and MIT are much tougher to get into than some Ivys.

Back on point, it wont matter for OP. There is some evidence that you get a bump for Princeton and the Service Academies because of rampant grade deflation. Otherwise, there is no evidence a person with a 3.5 at Amherst has any easier of a time getting in than someone at U of Georgia.

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby poptart123 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:59 pm

I think it makes a drop of difference at some schools. Overall it's likely nothing you can change and doesn't matter close to enough to worry about at schools where it might matter.

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Re: How relevant is prestige of undergrad institution?

Postby BlendedUnicorn » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:05 pm

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