Is this year extra competitive?

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Jay2021
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Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Jay2021 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:51 pm

I've heard that this year is extra competitive does anyone know if that's true?

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Rigo » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:04 pm

It's too soon to tell since it's merely October and people aren't getting accepted or rejected yet.
People are probably just saying that based in 19.8% increase in June LSAT takers and assuming there will be a big rise in applicants because of it.

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Platopus » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:18 pm

Rigo wrote:It's too soon to tell since it's merely October and people aren't getting accepted or rejected yet.
People are probably just saying that based in 19.8% increase in June LSAT takers and assuming there will be a big rise in applicants because of it.


I think it's safe enough to assume there will be an increase in applicants. Although I'm not sure the "Trump Bump" is going to really affect anything at the T13 schools. We're talking about an increase in a couple hundred 170+'s, assuming this extra pool of additional applicants' scores adhere to the bell curve.

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Rigo » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:22 pm

I find Trump Bump funny since there's a 4 year delay on becoming an actual lawyer.

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Platopus » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:28 pm

Rigo wrote:I find Trump Bump funny since there's a 4 year delay on becoming an actual lawyer.


Not to mention that like 0.0001% of attorneys have power to actually do shit about it in the first place, let alone the neckbeard going to Florida Coastal because he's "going to change the system"

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby mjb447 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:25 pm

Can't wait to critique some Trump Bump draft PSes.

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Platopus » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:46 pm

mjb447 wrote:Can't wait to critique some Trump Bump draft PSes.


The Trump Bump folk dont strike me as the TLS type. Finding TLS assumes they at least tried to research schools

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Jay2021 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:54 am

What does Trump Bump mean? Do I want to know?

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Jay2021 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:57 am

Platopus wrote: We're talking about an increase in a couple hundred 170+'s, assuming this extra pool of additional applicants' scores adhere to the bell curve.


Why assume that?

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Chaimthegreat » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:15 am

Let's try not to get too elitist here. A lot of positive change occurs across the legal spectrum. The Florida grad working for the Florida Supreme Court is gonna have as big of an impact "on change" as a Harvard grad grinding away at big law. I for one think it is refreshing that some people are being drawn to law in a way they weren't before. I think to learn and practice law with the intention of public reform shows a sense of citizenship and purpose. I fail to see why this warrants snide condemnation.

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby unicorntamer666 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:02 am

Chaimthegreat wrote:Let's try not to get too elitist here. A lot of positive change occurs across the legal spectrum. The Florida grad working for the Florida Supreme Court is gonna have as big of an impact "on change" as a Harvard grad grinding away at big law. I for one think it is refreshing that some people are being drawn to law in a way they weren't before. I think to learn and practice law with the intention of public reform shows a sense of citizenship and purpose. I fail to see why this warrants snide condemnation.


Wholeheartedly agree. I'm at a T14 but a lot of the people I respect most in the legal profession (including a number of conventionally successful attorneys) went to TTT schools. In fact, going to the most elite school possible essentially guarantees one will be too indebted to focus much on anything other than the financial bottom line for years. And as Chaim points out, state courts are bastions of impactful non-preftigious work (for judges, clerks, and practitioners alike). Ditto re: elective office.

For the people asking what the Trump Bump refers to: it's the theory that anti-Trump sentiment is motivating people to learn the law in order to become activist lawyers or something along those lines.

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby cavalier1138 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:54 am

Chaimthegreat wrote:Let's try not to get too elitist here. A lot of positive change occurs across the legal spectrum. The Florida grad working for the Florida Supreme Court is gonna have as big of an impact "on change" as a Harvard grad grinding away at big law. I for one think it is refreshing that some people are being drawn to law in a way they weren't before. I think to learn and practice law with the intention of public reform shows a sense of citizenship and purpose. I fail to see why this warrants snide condemnation.


I think the criticism is leveled at people who are sad about their first election and don't actually understand what lawyers do rushing to law school for a degree that they won't get until after (Cthulu willing) this idiot is out of office. There's nothing wrong with being interested in reform, but the kind of short-term interest generated by "OMG I gotta stop Trump's policies!" isn't going to be very sustainable.

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Jay2021 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:28 am

This thread is getting off topic. I'm not familiar with the rules around here but probably best to keep it to my original question about whether this year is more competitive.

Thanks for the explanation about the Bump.

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby MichiganHoosier » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:38 am

Jay2021 wrote:This thread is getting off topic. I'm not familiar with the rules around here but probably best to keep it to my original question about whether this year is more competitive.

Thanks for the explanation about the Bump.


Your question was answered by the first commentor on this post. It's October. It is much too early to tell. If you're genuinely worried about the nature of your competition, study more for the LSAT and craft the most flawless application you can instead of proposing meaningless hypotheticals.
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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby cavalier1138 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:56 am

Jay2021 wrote:This thread is getting off topic. I'm not familiar with the rules around here but probably best to keep it to my original question about whether this year is more competitive.

Thanks for the explanation about the Bump.


No. One. Knows.

And there's nothing you can do to impact it. So stop asking vague questions and start working on your apps.

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby icechicken » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:45 am

Jay2021 wrote:
Platopus wrote: We're talking about an increase in a couple hundred 170+'s, assuming this extra pool of additional applicants' scores adhere to the bell curve.


Why assume that?


Normally about 2500 people people score 170 or higher, and abut 1000 people score 173 or higher. (2.5% and 1% out of 100,000, respectively). If the total number of people taking the LSAT increases by ~20%, and LSAC keeps making good tests, then those numbers should also each increase by about 20%, assuming there isn't something categorically unusual about the "new" applications joining the pool. It's not obvious how this might change any given applicant's chances at any given school because it's only a moderate change to one of many different factors.

Chaimthegreat wrote:Let's try not to get too elitist here. A lot of positive change occurs across the legal spectrum.


Agreed. Lots of positive change is possible in public defense or in certain types of "shitlaw". The mistakes many of the Trump Bump people are making - failing to realize how difficult and thankless the legal profession is, and taking on way too much debt - are hardly unique to their cohort.

cavalier1138 wrote:
Jay2021 wrote:This thread is getting off topic. I'm not familiar with the rules around here but probably best to keep it to my original question about whether this year is more competitive.

Thanks for the explanation about the Bump.


No. One. Knows.

And there's nothing you can do to impact it. So stop asking vague questions and start working on your apps.


Agree with this too, OP.

Even if that information existed yet, it shouldn't substantially affect any given person's application strategy. (Maybe add one more low-ranked school to your list as a safety? You should be applying to a few anyway because you'll get a fee waiver and having ammo for scholarship negotiation is essential.)

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Re: Is this year extra competitive?

Postby Jjbb938483 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:28 pm

Even with the 20% increase in June LSAT takers, it’s still much lower than the peak about 7 years ago (or whenever it was, I don’t remember) and there were more repeats this year. We don’t even know how many of these people will actually apply this cycle.




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