How low is too low for an LSAT & what was your PT vs your real score?

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Innocent13
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How low is too low for an LSAT & what was your PT vs your real score?

Postby Innocent13 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:13 pm

Hey all- I know I am not the first person to ask this question and I know there are already 10,000 answers all over the web regarding, but most of them are from several years ago, so I am going to be THAT person that asks it again.

Check out my previous question for a full understanding of my circumstances and well as my "soft" qualifications: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=278561&p=10064805#p10064805.

But if you don't want to read that, here is the short and sweet version: I took the June LSAT, had a panic attack and cancelled the score. I later that week to the psychiatrist (because my mom was very concerned) and was diagnosed with severe ADHD. I am taking the September LSAT but practice exams are not going too hot. I am scoring all over the place (160-170) mostly because I am extremely inconsistent with RC, missing anywhere from 3-15.

I am taking the PT's extremely seriously so they should represent real exams. I am just extremely concerned that since I took a practice exam and scored a 160 that I may be looking at around 154 in reality.

Additionally, I am looking to go to my state school that is ranked in the top 50 (and by top 50, I mean high 40's). I want to go here due to family reasons and networking connections I already have (know the Dean, know may partners at law firms in the larger city close by who have all recommended I attend said law school). Even if I didn't do well on the LSAT I would be around their median score and I have "decent" "soft" qualifications (I know this is subjective and truly doesn't matter).


So basically, I am wondering how low is too low for an LSAT score and how close were your PT's to your real score? Would you be concerned about your success in law school with a high 150's score/low 160's score? Other advice?


I am asking all these questions now as I want to have a plan of attack ready incase the score is low. I need to start looking at other options such as applying for graduate school, applying for real jobs or basically starting completely over...

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Re: How low is too low for an LSAT & what was your PT vs your real score?

Postby gargleblaster » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:41 pm

pts 170 - 180 with most coming 173-179

acutal 173

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Re: How low is too low for an LSAT & what was your PT vs your real score?

Postby rachelac » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:06 pm

PTs 169-179, usually 173, actual 173!

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Re: How low is too low for an LSAT & what was your PT vs your real score?

Postby cavalier1138 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:07 pm

"Too low" is entirely based on the school you want to attend. If that school's entering class had a 25th percentile score of 169, then 168 is probably too low. But if the 25th was 159, then 168 isn't too low.

That said, this...
Innocent13 wrote:I want to go here due to family reasons and networking connections I already have (know the Dean, know may partners at law firms in the larger city close by who have all recommended I attend said law school).

...is a bad way to decide on a school. If you have to stay in the area for family, that's one thing. But if you're staking your chances at getting biglaw on knowing the dean and some boomer attorney's advice, you're going to be very disappointed once OCI rolls around.

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Re: How low is too low for an LSAT & what was your PT vs your real score?

Postby Innocent13 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:52 pm

is a bad way to decide on a school. If you have to stay in the area for family, that's one thing. But if you're staking your chances at getting biglaw on knowing the dean and some boomer attorney's advice, you're going to be very disappointed once OCI rolls around.


Haha, my hopes aren't that high! I went to a small state school of only 25,000 people, and sure I got to do some pretty school stuff there, but I haven't done anything impressive enough, nor are my scores high enough to complete with the type of people who are apply to top law schools that would allow you a place in "biglaw". At most I will probably have a low 160's LSAT, my GPA is a 4.0 but not majors that will impress law school admission councils (accounting and economics) and while I have had the opportunity to be involved in some pretty cool things while at undergraduate, I doubt any admission councils care if I was president of the "Honors Program", am an author on a research paper or on the chancellor's senior honorary. I am concerned about my LSAT score because the frankly, I didn't do anything super impressive durning undergraduate and was hoping a stellar LSAT score could make up for it. So I guess this question is really a last second panic attack realizing that I may not have what it takes to be a good LSAT application to ANY school let alone a top school.

Additionally, I am trying to be realistic with what I have in front of me. I want a job, that I like, that pays reasonably and is close to my family. By city near me, I guess I mean a small town with about 2 million people. By know the Dean and some attorney's in the area I was 1) referencing the fact that maybe getting to know the Dean or other individual's on the Admissions council might help me still be able to get into law school despite lack anything overly impressive on my resume/scores and 2) I actually have been offered a job at the largest law firm in my town after clerking there throughout all of college (obviously some contingency conditions apply to the offer). So I guess I was planning on attending the law school close by because I thought I may have a praying chance of getting in there and then hopefully I would be able to accept a job that I really want?

Idk. Maybe all the above is dumb. I just feel so ill-prepared for law school and now I have completely "word-vomitted" all over this forum. The closer I get to graduating the more I realize that I am just SO not prepared for the real world. I have literally no prospects and haven't worked anywhere near hard enough to be able to complain about that lol. I realize how prepared everyone on here is and begin to second guess if I even deserve to go to law school. Everyone here is SO FREAKING impressive, with amazing scores, GPAs and probably additional resume boosters. Lol I just can't compete.

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Re: How low is too low for an LSAT & what was your PT vs your real score?

Postby abujabal » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:58 pm

Innocent13 wrote:my GPA is a 4.0


This is waaaay bigger of a deal than you think it is

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Re: How low is too low for an LSAT & what was your PT vs your real score?

Postby Platopus » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:29 am

Innocent13 wrote:Additionally, I am trying to be realistic with what I have in front of me. I want a job, that I like, that pays reasonably and is close to my family. By city near me, I guess I mean a small town with about 2 million people. By know the Dean and some attorney's in the area I was 1) referencing the fact that maybe getting to know the Dean or other individual's on the Admissions council might help me still be able to get into law school despite lack anything overly impressive on my resume/scores and 2) I actually have been offered a job at the largest law firm in my town after clerking there throughout all of college (obviously some contingency conditions apply to the offer). So I guess I was planning on attending the law school close by because I thought I may have a praying chance of getting in there and then hopefully I would be able to accept a job that I really want?


How are you going to pay for law school? The job you are describing sounds like a small law firm (in relation to other, larger national firms), paying small law firm salaries. Not knocking the work, just questioning how you are going to pay $200K in law school debt on a salary of maybe $60K (if you are lucky). Get the highest score you possibly can on the LSAT so that you have a fighting chance of at least attending this local law school at or near a full scholarship.

Also, as a side note, you have a 4.0 and are therefore competitive for admission to every single law school in the nation, period. You literally have every door open and you are about to shut the best 14 by not giving a stupid test the attention it deserves. There is no reason to pigeon-hole yourself into a job that may or may not be waiting for you when you graduate, when you can literally attend one of the best schools in the nation for free if you just study for the test and take it when you are ready. The name of the game is maximizing your options, not trying to find an arbitrary cut off that allows you to achieve only one. If you are scoring below your PT target (which should realistically be in the high 160's at the very least, since this is attainable by *almost* everyone with enough effort), then you are doing yourself a HUGE disservice, to the tune of potentially ruining your life all over a stupid fucking test, and $200K (at the least) in debt at like 6.7% interest paid in 10 years on a salary of $60K is life ruining.

edit, again: Even if the job offer is 100% sincere, there is NO WAY to predict the future of the US economy and all the other factors that may totally ruin the job market in the next 3-4 years. There is NO GUARANTEE, even if it was sincere, that this job is waiting for you when you graduate. What then...?

Take the test when you are ready and comeback with a 170 so we can help you decide between a half-ride at the lower T-14 and a full ride at your regional school of choice.

Asking "how low is too low for an LSAT" is the 100% wrong way to think about this. The only questions you need to ask is "What is the highest score I am able to achieve, and what do you I need to do in order to achieve it". You don't just want to go to law school, you want to go for free.

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Innocent13 wrote:Everyone here is SO FREAKING impressive, with amazing scores, GPAs and probably additional resume boosters. Lol I just can't compete.


Just wanted to point out that all the "impressive" people on this forum (I would guess) worked their ass off to be "impressive". The LSAT is learnable, and now that you 1) know that it is learnable, and 2) are on a website with tremendous resources to help you score in the "impressive" range, you too can be "impressive". The "impressive" people are only impressive because they didn't do stupid shit like go K-JD to a T50 school with no scholarship in the hopes that a job offer at a small firm (that may or may not have been 100% sincere) is still waiting after they graduate, but still won't offer any meaningful way to repay the $200K+ in debt that they have accumulated.

If you want to be "impressive" start doing the shit that impressive people do. Study for the LSAT and retake until you get a 170+. Work for 2+ years (trust me, as a philosophy major with a 4.0 there are still options even if you don't think there are). Gain some interesting life experience for a PS, etc. It's not too late to be one of the "impressive" people.

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Re: How low is too low for an LSAT & what was your PT vs your real score?

Postby cavalier1138 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:09 am

Just to reiterate what's already been said: with a 4.0, you are competitive for Yale once you raise your LSAT.




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