CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby makingthemove » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:16 pm

ljalba wrote:
makingthemove wrote:Added UT median from the texas law school day info.


I’m pretty sure that was last year’s since they mentioned they weren’t releasing this year’s until the end of October.


You could be right, sorry!

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Will McAvoy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:35 am

Something is going on with the spreadsheet. Schools without numbers moved out of their spots.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby clueless801 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:05 pm

NYU 25th% LSAT is 167 - they released that info in their webinar from Thursday. I changed it on the spreadsheet. IDK how to link an image for proof but I have a screenshot of the webinar if anyone wants it.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby porzingis3 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:08 pm

clueless801 wrote:NYU 25th% LSAT is 167 - they released that info in their webinar from Thursday. I changed it on the spreadsheet. IDK how to link an image for proof but I have a screenshot of the webinar if anyone wants it.



Yup 167/169/171

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby clueless801 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:10 pm

porzingis3 wrote:
clueless801 wrote:NYU 25th% LSAT is 167 - they released that info in their webinar from Thursday. I changed it on the spreadsheet. IDK how to link an image for proof but I have a screenshot of the webinar if anyone wants it.



Yup 167/169/171


I actually have 167/169/170 and 3.7/3.8/3.9...

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Postby porzingis3 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:24 pm

Haha yeah I give up trying to be accurate with their numbers. I guess yours is more updated so probably correct.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby SolemnMan » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:20 pm

clueless801 wrote:
porzingis3 wrote:
clueless801 wrote:NYU 25th% LSAT is 167 - they released that info in their webinar from Thursday. I changed it on the spreadsheet. IDK how to link an image for proof but I have a screenshot of the webinar if anyone wants it.



Yup 167/169/171


I actually have 167/169/170 and 3.7/3.8/3.9...

What about their class size? Is 429 wrong?

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby clueless801 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:22 pm

SolemnMan wrote:
clueless801 wrote:
porzingis3 wrote:
clueless801 wrote:NYU 25th% LSAT is 167 - they released that info in their webinar from Thursday. I changed it on the spreadsheet. IDK how to link an image for proof but I have a screenshot of the webinar if anyone wants it.



Yup 167/169/171


I actually have 167/169/170 and 3.7/3.8/3.9...

What about their class size? Is 429 wrong?


I've got 425 as of August 2017.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby twiix » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:22 pm

that LSAT gap between Columbia and NYU is yuuuuuuuge. T5 is the new T6 imo

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby rowdy » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:27 pm

twiix wrote:that LSAT gap between Columbia and NYU is yuuuuuuuge. T5 is the new T6 imo


Everything comes at a price. Look at the GPA gap.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Will McAvoy » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:43 pm

rowdy wrote:
twiix wrote:that LSAT gap between Columbia and NYU is yuuuuuuuge. T5 is the new T6 imo


Everything comes at a price. Look at the GPA gap.

Yup, the distinctions are pretty meaningless. Maybe less so from an employment outcomes perspective but from the LSAT/GPA inputs, who cares. If you group them by elite LSAT ability, you might drop NYU and Chicago from the top group based on their inability to maintain a 25% in the high 160s. At this point, without a shocking LSAT score, I'm out at HYS. As someone who would be thrilled with Biglaw, FedClerk or even State Supreme in any of Philly, Central/North Jersey, or NYC, every day I see less and less of a difference between Columbia, NYU, Penn and Cornell. The outcomes are so similar.
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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Jack_Kelly » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:56 pm

I kinda get the impression that with the exceptions of maybe Stanford/Chicago, it's the schools that can't raise their LSAT that turn to GPA. LSAT seems to get priority in determining ranking.

At least I'm telling myself that with the way Vandy numbers turned this year.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby icechicken » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:06 pm

Jack_Kelly wrote:LSAT seems to get priority in determining ranking.


For US News rankings, LSAT (and GRE!) medians are worth 12.5% of a school's score and GPA is worth 10%. So there is probably a slight bias towards LSAT-heavy schools (although this depends on what exact indices USNWR is using internally, which we can only guess at).

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-g ... ethodology

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Postby appind » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:44 am

icechicken wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:LSAT seems to get priority in determining ranking.


For US News rankings, LSAT (and GRE!) medians are worth 12.5% of a school's score and GPA is worth 10%. So there is probably a slight bias towards LSAT-heavy schools (although this depends on what exact indices USNWR is using internally, which we can only guess at).

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-g ... ethodology


is it 12.5% for each of LSAT and GRE or half that? it's not clear how they'd categorize candidate who has both LSAT and GRE reported for the purpose of calculating LSAT and GRE medians. does it mean the school may choose only one of two scores to include in median computation and ignore the other (if that's below their medians)? or if the candidate included both, then they have to compute medians based on both?

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby icechicken » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:32 am

appind wrote:is it 12.5% for each of LSAT and GRE or half that? it's not clear how they'd categorize candidate who has both LSAT and GRE reported for the purpose of calculating LSAT and GRE medians. does it mean the school may choose only one of two scores to include in median computation and ignore the other (if that's below their medians)? or if the candidate included both, then they have to compute medians based on both?


We can really only speculate at this point about all of those things, but I can't imagine that they'd weight the LSAT and GRE medians equally if only a tiny proportion of matriculates submitted the latter.

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Postby Huskies13! » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:20 pm

Arizona:
https://law.arizona.edu/jd-facts-and-figures
Fall 2017 Entering JD Class Profile
(as of Aug. 21, 2017)

Number of Applicants*: 1,587 (+195)
Number Enrolled*: 101 (-1)
Median LSAT*: 161 (0)
Median GPA*: 3.64 (+.07)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby ddevich » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:19 pm

"Unofficial" Fordham Law C/O 2020 Stats
https://view.flipdocs.com/html5/?id=100 ... 0638&P=0#0

LSAT: 160/163/164

GPA: 3.43/3.60/3.71

Class Size: 412

Looks like they took higher GPA's as they jump quite a bit in each quartile. As a splitter, I like the extra cushion that a -1 (from 165--->164) 75th LSAT score provides though!

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby stiger28 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:09 pm

Texas A&M-- from handouts in the admissions office

LSAT: 154 / 157 / 159 (-1 / 0 / +1)
GPA: 3.22 / 3.44 / 3.60 (+.15, +.03, 0)
Not sure about the exact class size but I understand it is a little larger than last year.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby RareExports » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:03 pm

WUSTL

168
3.74 (+.07)

Dean just announced to a group of students. I expect it to be online within a few days.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Huskies13! » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:42 pm

GW:
https://www.law.gwu.edu/jd-entering-class-profile
Size: 407 (-41)
LSAT: 165 (0)
GPA: 3.71 (0)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby black_mirror » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:25 pm

EnglishApplicant2017 wrote:I was at a Columbia admissions information sessions today and they gave out some literature including the entering class profile.

The number are correct as September 8th 2017.

LSAT 25th: 169
LSAT median: 171
LSAT 75th: 173
LSAT average,(presumably the mean) - 170

GPA - 25th 3.56
Median: 3.7
75th: 3.81
GPA average: 3.67

5829 applicants
Admitted: 20.4%
Total enrolled students: 390


Just noticed the 25th is listed in the spreadsheet as 167 for Columbia. Did someone correct the above-mentioned info or was it a typo?

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Facelessgod » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:18 pm

Really curious to see what Cornell's medians end up being - especially given the surprised posts in the 2020 applications thread for Cornell regarding GPA as well as them holding out on reporting for this long. Do they usually wait this late to report their medians?

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Postby Rigo » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:23 pm

Facelessgod wrote:Really curious to see what Cornell's medians end up being - especially given the surprised posts in the 2020 applications thread for Cornell regarding GPA as well as them holding out on reporting for this long. Do they usually wait this late to report their medians?

October 7th isn't late at all. Be prepared to possibly wait until December.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Facelessgod » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:42 pm

Rigo wrote:
Facelessgod wrote:Really curious to see what Cornell's medians end up being - especially given the surprised posts in the 2020 applications thread for Cornell regarding GPA as well as them holding out on reporting for this long. Do they usually wait this late to report their medians?

October 7th isn't late at all. Be prepared to possibly wait until December.


I see, I didn't realize the deadline was December. Let me rephrase my question - is Cornell usually one of the last schools among the ~T14 to submit/report their medians?

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby runinthefront » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:46 pm

Facelessgod wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Facelessgod wrote:Really curious to see what Cornell's medians end up being - especially given the surprised posts in the 2020 applications thread for Cornell regarding GPA as well as them holding out on reporting for this long. Do they usually wait this late to report their medians?

October 7th isn't late at all. Be prepared to possibly wait until December.


I see, I didn't realize the deadline was December. Let me rephrase my question - is Cornell usually one of the last schools among the ~T14 to submit/report their medians?

Last year's thread didn't receive Cornell info until November 26.




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