CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

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Postby cavalier1138 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:44 am

gwillygecko wrote:columbia, like most of the "black box admission" types, seems to care about ug prestige more than the avg school does. i dont know if this applies to you positively or negatively though.


Since when is Columbia a "black box"?

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Postby chewinggum » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:55 am

gargleblaster wrote:skeptical on this one they didnt let my 173 ass in this year which is usually a freakin lock for them

Is this in general or as long as you aren't a splitter?

gwillygecko wrote:columbia, like most of the "black box admission" types, seems to care about ug prestige more than the avg school does. i dont know if this applies to you positively or negatively though.

Is this true? Like cater to ivy schools more than numbers?

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby cavalier1138 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:38 am

chewinggum wrote:Is this true? Like cater to ivy schools more than numbers?


No. That poster is making shit up.

There's some evidence that your school pedigree may make a difference on the edges, but most of the "preferential treatment" for ivy grads comes from their higher LSAT/GPA. Better test-takers get in to better schools where they take tests better than other test-takers at other schools, etc. etc.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby etramak » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:47 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:
chewinggum wrote:Is this true? Like cater to ivy schools more than numbers?


No. That poster is making shit up.

There's some evidence that your school pedigree may make a difference on the edges, but most of the "preferential treatment" for ivy grads comes from their higher LSAT/GPA. Better test-takers get in to better schools where they take tests better than other test-takers at other schools, etc. etc.


I've spent a lot of time looking at mylsn data for Stanford and it definitely seems like out of all the non-URM applicants that have borderline median numbers (say, 3.9 and a 170/171), it is always the Ivy or top LAC applicant that manages to get the acceptance. Of course, they may just have a better PS or more impressive ECs.

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Postby Chaimthegreat » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:54 pm

etramak wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
chewinggum wrote:Is this true? Like cater to ivy schools more than numbers?


No. That poster is making shit up.

There's some evidence that your school pedigree may make a difference on the edges, but most of the "preferential treatment" for ivy grads comes from their higher LSAT/GPA. Better test-takers get in to better schools where they take tests better than other test-takers at other schools, etc. etc.


I've spent a lot of time looking at mylsn data for Stanford and it definitely seems like out of all the non-URM applicants that have borderline median numbers (say, 3.9 and a 170/171), it is always the Ivy or top LAC applicant that manages to get the acceptance. Of course, they may just have a better PS or more impressive ECs.


I think this is a causation v. correlation point. Coming from an Ivey undergrad only gives you a boost on the very margins. It will not have a substantial impact on your admission chances. You GPA and LSAT will. It may be true that more Ivey students get higher LSAT scores- thus establishing a correlation with high admission rates. However, their Ivey status itself is not the cause of admission.

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Postby Huskies13! » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:07 am

Alabama up--think they are way up but out of town so someone else needs to analyze:
https://www.law.ua.edu/admissions/quick-facts/

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Postby abujabal » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:11 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Alabama up--think they are way up but out of town so someone else needs to analyze:
https://www.law.ua.edu/admissions/quick-facts/


See below
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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby calmike » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:21 pm

Georgetown's 25th percentile LSAT is down.
Good news for me.

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Postby theconsigliere » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:27 pm

abujabal wrote:
Size:
1577 applicants (-7)
125 enrollees (-28)

LSAT*:
25: 157 (+1)
Median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (-2)

GPA:
25: 3.42 (+.13)
Median: 3.84 (+.12)
75: 3.94 (-.01)

*Doesn't include 4 students with no LSAT score


the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby abujabal » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:12 pm

theconsigliere wrote:
abujabal wrote:
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the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)


Looks like LSN has different numbers than 2016 then. Thanks.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby poptart123 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:30 pm

theconsigliere wrote:
abujabal wrote:
Size:
1577 applicants (-7)
125 enrollees (-28)

LSAT*:
25: 157 (+1)
Median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (-2)

GPA:
25: 3.42 (+.13)
Median: 3.84 (+.12)
75: 3.94 (-.01)

*Doesn't include 4 students with no LSAT score


the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)


That's actually a pretty solid increase in GPA and LSAT by admissions. Props to the Bama admissions team. I wonder if they get raises.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:31 pm

poptart123 wrote:
theconsigliere wrote:
abujabal wrote:
Size:
1577 applicants (-7)
125 enrollees (-28)

LSAT*:
25: 157 (+1)
Median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (-2)

GPA:
25: 3.42 (+.13)
Median: 3.84 (+.12)
75: 3.94 (-.01)

*Doesn't include 4 students with no LSAT score


the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)


That's actually a pretty solid increase in GPA and LSAT by admissions. Props to the Bama admissions team. I wonder if they get raises.


They recruited hard last year and had a pretty sweet set of scholarships, so not too surprised

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby poptart123 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:33 pm

Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
poptart123 wrote:
theconsigliere wrote:
abujabal wrote:
Size:
1577 applicants (-7)
125 enrollees (-28)

LSAT*:
25: 157 (+1)
Median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (-2)

GPA:
25: 3.42 (+.13)
Median: 3.84 (+.12)
75: 3.94 (-.01)

*Doesn't include 4 students with no LSAT score


the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)


That's actually a pretty solid increase in GPA and LSAT by admissions. Props to the Bama admissions team. I wonder if they get raises.


They recruited hard last year and had a pretty sweet set of scholarships, so not too surprised


I remember they also offered me a $30 Amazon gift card to apply along with a fee waiver--essentially making the app free.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby DaydreamNation » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:25 pm

calmike wrote:Georgetown's 25th percentile LSAT is down.
Good news for me.

Have the spreadsheet numbers been confirmed somewhere?

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Postby usaorbust » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:52 am

DaydreamNation wrote:
calmike wrote:Georgetown's 25th percentile LSAT is down.
Good news for me.

Have the spreadsheet numbers been confirmed somewhere?

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Postby Huskies13! » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:46 am

Been clicking--nobody is updating. Really interesting how many schools updated by now last year that have not updated this year...looks like most schools have decided to wait until December i guess...

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Postby Huskies13! » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:18 pm

Finally---Davis:
https://law.ucdavis.edu/jd/files/ClassProfile-2017.pdf
Applications Received:
2,988 (+136)
Class Size:
151 (-5)
3.37(+.06)/3.59(+.07)/3.73(+.01)
157(-1)/163(0)/165(+1)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Veil of Ignorance » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:30 pm

Where are those Columbia numbers coming from?

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Postby Graybrow » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:10 pm

Veil of Ignorance wrote:Where are those Columbia numbers coming from?


I just deleted them. I think someone was making a prediction. They just copied and pasted the exact same GPA numbers, and 25th and 75th LSAT numbers, and then guessed Columbia would have a 171.

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Postby etramak » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:23 pm

Graybrow wrote:
Veil of Ignorance wrote:Where are those Columbia numbers coming from?


I just deleted them. I think someone was making a prediction. They just copied and pasted the exact same GPA numbers, and 25th and 75th LSAT numbers, and then guessed Columbia would have a 171.


I got excited that my prediction was right for a second there

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Postby The Speed of Love » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:14 pm

etramak wrote:
Graybrow wrote:
Veil of Ignorance wrote:Where are those Columbia numbers coming from?


I just deleted them. I think someone was making a prediction. They just copied and pasted the exact same GPA numbers, and 25th and 75th LSAT numbers, and then guessed Columbia would have a 171.


I got excited that my prediction was right for a second there


Can't predict a black box, bro. :wink:

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Postby EnglishApplicant2017 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:18 pm

I was at a Columbia admissions information sessions today and they gave out some literature including the entering class profile.

The number are correct as September 8th 2017.

LSAT 25th: 169
LSAT median: 171
LSAT 75th: 173
LSAT average,(presumably the mean) - 170

GPA - 25th 3.56
Median: 3.7
75th: 3.81
GPA average: 3.67

5829 applicants
Admitted: 20.4%
Total enrolled students: 390

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Postby Platopus » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:21 pm

EnglishApplicant2017 wrote:I was at a Columbia admissions information sessions today and they gave out some literature including the entering class profile.

The number are correct as September 8th 2017.

LSAT 25th: 169
LSAT median: 171
LSAT 75th: 173
LSAT average,(presumably the mean) - 170

GPA - 25th 3.56
Median: 3.7
75th: 3.81
GPA average: 3.67

5829 applicants
Admitted: 20.4%
Total enrolled students: 390


Wow, so they did drop on their median & 75th LSAT, that's pretty huge.

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Postby EnglishApplicant2017 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:28 pm

Platopus wrote:
Wow, so they did drop on their median & 75th LSAT, that's pretty huge.


Yes, but the same as the year before actually. So it seems as though the uptick was more anomalous than this drop.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Platopus » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:32 pm

EnglishApplicant2017 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
Wow, so they did drop on their median & 75th LSAT, that's pretty huge.


Yes, but the same as the year before actually. So it seems as though the uptick was more anomalous than this drop.


Still interesting to see some of the T-6 lose their positioning, especially since some of the lower T-14 appeared to come out strong. We knew there had to be some losers since the number of 170+'s is down across the board, so it'll be interesting to see how the rest of the T-6 shapes up.




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