3.55/ 173, retake?

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3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby rictheruler » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:07 pm

Hi all, sorry for another one of these annoying posts but I need some advice. 3.55 UGPA and just took the June LSAT with a 173, and I'm wondering if I should retake. As you probably know, the curve was pretty unforgiving, and with a difficult RC and easy games, I feel like this test was particularly unsuited for my strengths. I also misbubbled the last question so I definitely could have scored higher. I'm wondering if I should retake and aim for a 174+. My PTs ranged from 172-175.

My target schools are NYU and Columbia (and maybe a tiny shot at Harvard). I know I'm in pretty good shape for NYU, but one more point would put me over Columbia's 75th from last year, which I might need given my low GPA. I'm also from LA and ultimately want to practice here. Is it true that Columbia places better to CA firms?

Part of this is just me knowing I didn't reach my full potential on the test, but I'm also wondering if it's worth one more shot for my admissions prospects/ scholarship money. Thanks for the help.

TL;DR: 3.55/ 173, want to go to Columbia or NYU. Retake or no?

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby RParadela » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:41 pm

There's no reason to not retake in September. You can still go ahead and apply and tell the schools you applied to to hold your application until your September LSAT comes in

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby rictheruler » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:52 pm

RParadela wrote:There's no reason to not retake in September. You can still go ahead and apply and tell the schools you applied to to hold your application until your September LSAT comes in


Does it look bad if I score the same or worse?

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby RParadela » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:02 pm

rictheruler wrote:
RParadela wrote:There's no reason to not retake in September. You can still go ahead and apply and tell the schools you applied to to hold your application until your September LSAT comes in


Does it look bad if I score the same or worse?


No, schools will take your highest LSAT

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby Platopus » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:55 pm

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Things get better with a 175, but not a ton. If you have the time, a retake can't hurt. That said, if you'll think you'll need the time to better prepare your apps, Why X, PS, etc. I think it's justifiable to just apply early and see how things shake out.

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby rictheruler » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:34 pm

Platopus wrote:
Things get better with a 175, but not a ton. If you have the time, a retake can't hurt. That said, if you'll think you'll need the time to better prepare your apps, Why X, PS, etc. I think it's justifiable to just apply early and see how things shake out.


Yeah, this was my thinking too. Looks like I should be in pretty good shape for NYU either way, and for Harvard the numbers actually go down with a 175 (though the sample size is way too small). My main concern is Columbia. The results you posted results go back to 2013, and IIRC, Columbia just bumped up their 75th to a 174. Assuming they maintain this for the next cycle, and given that I'm well below their 25th for GPA, I should aim for at least a 174, no?

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby 2020throwaway » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:28 pm

3.61/173 with 2 year WE. Applied end of Jan and got into two of CCN in feb, waitlist on the other. Retook for a 172 :( which dashed my hopes for a better result. Will be attending CCN with $.

I say a Sept retake can't hurt, but I would honestly get your application in as soon as possible regardless (when it's ready of course).

Good luck to you

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby rictheruler » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:08 pm

2020throwaway wrote:3.61/173 with 2 year WE. Applied end of Jan and got into two of CCN in feb, waitlist on the other. Retook for a 172 :( which dashed my hopes for a better result. Will be attending CCN with $.

I say a Sept retake can't hurt, but I would honestly get your application in as soon as possible regardless (when it's ready of course).

Good luck to you


Thanks, and congrats on CCN. When was your retake? After you sent in apps?

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby carsondalywashere » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:16 pm

October is still an early application. You owe it to yourself to at least try one more time, but you'll go to a good school regardless

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby lizsten2me » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:24 pm

Before retaking you should reach out to Colombia and clarify whether or not they average your LSAT scores. NYU does for sure and Colombia is more ambiguous on the matter. That said, improving your score will help your chances, but say you have a harder time and score a few points lower, you risk hurting your averaged LSAT, and ultimately your chances.

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby TexasApplicant » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:46 pm

lizsten2me wrote:Before retaking you should reach out to Colombia and clarify whether or not they average your LSAT scores. NYU does for sure and Colombia is more ambiguous on the matter. That said, improving your score will help your chances, but say you have a harder time and score a few points lower, you risk hurting your averaged LSAT, and ultimately your chances.


NYU definitely averages LSAT scores? Could you provide a source? That's bad news :shock:

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby lizsten2me » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:49 pm

TexasApplicant wrote:
lizsten2me wrote:Before retaking you should reach out to Colombia and clarify whether or not they average your LSAT scores. NYU does for sure and Colombia is more ambiguous on the matter. That said, improving your score will help your chances, but say you have a harder time and score a few points lower, you risk hurting your averaged LSAT, and ultimately your chances.


NYU definitely averages LSAT scores? Could you provide a source? That's bad news :shock:


As seen in the FAQ section of the law school website:
http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdadmissions/app ... ationfaq#7

If I take the LSAT more than once, does the Committee see the higher score?
Yes, but they evaluate based on the average score in most cases. The Committee may take special circumstances into account. If a candidate can point out specific reasons why the Committee should consider an LSAT score aberrant, they should detail those reasons in an addendum to the personal statement.

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby silenttimer » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:49 pm

Take the GRE and apply to Harvard! Profit!

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby cavalier1138 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:07 pm

lizsten2me wrote:
TexasApplicant wrote:
lizsten2me wrote:Before retaking you should reach out to Colombia and clarify whether or not they average your LSAT scores. NYU does for sure and Colombia is more ambiguous on the matter. That said, improving your score will help your chances, but say you have a harder time and score a few points lower, you risk hurting your averaged LSAT, and ultimately your chances.


NYU definitely averages LSAT scores? Could you provide a source? That's bad news :shock:


As seen in the FAQ section of the law school website:
http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdadmissions/app ... ationfaq#7

If I take the LSAT more than once, does the Committee see the higher score?
Yes, but they evaluate based on the average score in most cases. The Committee may take special circumstances into account. If a candidate can point out specific reasons why the Committee should consider an LSAT score aberrant, they should detail those reasons in an addendum to the personal statement.


NYU says they average LSAT scores. Admissions numbers say otherwise, and the numbers don't lie.

And this was a dumb necro.

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Re: 3.55/ 173, retake?

Postby Platopus » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:01 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:
NYU says they average LSAT scores. Admissions numbers say otherwise, and the numbers don't lie.

And this was a dumb necro.


This. Schools like NYU really don't have the luxury of averaging a 173 with a 2nd score. A 173 is above their 75th, and there are just too few of them for a school like NYU to start getting picky.




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