What are the tiers?

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What are the tiers?

Postby jriveraCAL2017 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:18 am

Like what are the tier cutoffs? Is tier 1 classified as 1-14, and tier two as 15-25, and so on orrr how does this work?

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby stego » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:44 am

Tier 1 is the top 50 or so, tier 2 is 51-100, tier 3 is 101+. The rankings stop at 148, and tier 4 are the "rank not published" schools.

The rankings can mislead because they don't show the amount of separation between schools (the distance between 1 and 14 is much greater than the one between 81 and 94 for example). Also rankings are unimportant when comparing regional schools that serve different markets, it's a semi-useful heuristic but what you should actually pay attention to are the cost of attendance and employment data.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby chandhi » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:02 am

They are the things that come out of your eyes on gray/grey day.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby magnum_law » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:28 am

When it comes to rankings, all that actually matters is the t13. Other schools should be decided upon based on a combination of employment outcomes, cost of attendance, and potentially regional concerns. Check out LST reports for all of the above.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby magnum_law » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:32 am

chandhi wrote:They are the things that come out of your eyes on gray/grey day.


TCR. Can be of joy or depression.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby Ferrisjso » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:04 am

The rankings that matter the most are ranking the schools within a state or market. The following site's probably best for comparing the schools within a particular state in a vaccum.

http://law-schools.startclass.com/

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby Malarkey » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:16 pm

Ferrisjso wrote:The rankings that matter the most are ranking the schools within a state or market. The following site's probably best for comparing the schools within a particular state in a vaccum.

http://law-schools.startclass.com/


While your first statement is pretty much correct regarding schools outside the T14/13, the site you posted is certainly not the best for comparing schools in any sense. OP, I would recommend http://www.lstreports.com. It takes ABA reported employment numbers and presents them in an easily analyzed format. Use the compare tool to place employment statistics for schools side by side. You can choose to do this for schools within the same state, or not. And Stego's statement about employment being more important than tiers is TCR.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby mrtux45 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:21 pm

Malarkey wrote:
Ferrisjso wrote:The rankings that matter the most are ranking the schools within a state or market. The following site's probably best for comparing the schools within a particular state in a vaccum.

http://law-schools.startclass.com/


While your first statement is pretty much correct regarding schools outside the T14/13, the site you posted is certainly not the best for comparing schools in any sense. OP, I would recommend http://www.lstreports.com. It takes ABA reported employment numbers and presents them in an easily analyzed format. Use the compare tool to place employment statistics for schools side by side. You can choose to do this for schools within the same state, or not. And Stego's statement about employment being more important than tiers is TCR.


That startclass site ranks University of Wisconsin at number 16... two spots behind Penn at 14. No disrespect to Wisco, but come on now

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby cavalier1138 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:25 pm

mrtux45 wrote:
Malarkey wrote:
Ferrisjso wrote:The rankings that matter the most are ranking the schools within a state or market. The following site's probably best for comparing the schools within a particular state in a vaccum.

http://law-schools.startclass.com/


While your first statement is pretty much correct regarding schools outside the T14/13, the site you posted is certainly not the best for comparing schools in any sense. OP, I would recommend http://www.lstreports.com. It takes ABA reported employment numbers and presents them in an easily analyzed format. Use the compare tool to place employment statistics for schools side by side. You can choose to do this for schools within the same state, or not. And Stego's statement about employment being more important than tiers is TCR.


That startclass site ranks University of Wisconsin at number 16... two spots behind Penn at 14. No disrespect to Wisco, but come on now


Yeah, what the fuck did I just look at? OP, if you're still actually around, look at employment numbers, not whatever the hell that site was using.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby guynourmin » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:41 pm

Ferrisjso wrote:The following site's probably best for comparing the schools within a particular state in a vaccum.

http://law-schools.startclass.com/


This website says USC is better than Berkeley. Is this site really better than USNWR? Why?

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby Ferrisjso » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:50 pm

Insaid it was good for comparing schools in a state vaccum. I didnt say its national rankings werent an lol.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby UVA2B » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:51 pm

Ferrisjso wrote:Insaid it was good for comparing schools in a state vaccum. I didnt say its national rankings werent an lol.


But it's not even good at that.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby guynourmin » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:57 pm

Ferrisjso wrote:Insaid it was good for comparing schools in a state vaccum. I didnt say its national rankings werent an lol.

but its CA rankings are

1. Stanford
2. USC
3. ULCA
4. Berk

so how is it good at comparing schools in a state vacuum? There's not way you're saying USC is better than Berk if you want to work in Cali, right? If it can't even get the largest state's top school rankings right, why should someone trust it to accurately compare the possible 6th and 7th best schools in a smaller state?

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby guynourmin » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:00 pm

and its NY rankings are

1. Cornell
2. Columbia
3. NYU
4. literally St. Johns is number 4, above Fordham, Dozo, etc

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby cavalier1138 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:09 pm

guybourdin wrote:and its NY rankings are

1. Cornell
2. Columbia
3. NYU
4. literally St. Johns is number 4, above Fordham, Dozo, etc


JFC.

What are their criteria? I didn't spend much time looking, but I couldn't figure out what their methodology was.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby guynourmin » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:10 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:
guybourdin wrote:and its NY rankings are

1. Cornell
2. Columbia
3. NYU
4. literally St. Johns is number 4, above Fordham, Dozo, etc


JFC.

What are their criteria? I didn't spend much time looking, but I couldn't figure out what their methodology was.


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The smart rank uses statistical data to determine an overall indication of the school's quality. This includes admissions selectivity, bar exam performance, employment rate, financial aid, student-faculty ratio, and attrition.

:lol:

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby Nonconsecutive » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:12 pm

guybourdin wrote:and its NY rankings are

1. Cornell
2. Columbia
3. NYU
4. literally St. Johns is number 4, above Fordham, Dozo, etc


Gawt dayum.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby Malarkey » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:15 pm

guybourdin wrote:The smart rank uses statistical data to determine an overall indication of the school's quality. This includes admissions selectivity, bar exam performance, employment rate, financial aid, student-faculty ratio, and attrition.
:lol:


As opposed to non-statistical data, of course.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby guynourmin » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:23 pm

Figured out why he likes those rankings: QU is ranked higher than UConn.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby Ferrisjso » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:24 pm

guybourdin wrote:
Ferrisjso wrote:Insaid it was good for comparing schools in a state vaccum. I didnt say its national rankings werent an lol.

but its CA rankings are

1. Stanford
2. USC
3. ULCA
4. Berk

so how is it good at comparing schools in a state vacuum? There's not way you're saying USC is better than Berk if you want to work in Cali, right? If it can't even get the largest state's top school rankings right, why should someone trust it to accurately compare the possible 6th and 7th best schools in a smaller state?


Havent looked at it in awhile maybe it changed,wtf. I cant see it currently cause its anti ad block.

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby UVA2B » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:24 pm

guybourdin wrote:Figured out why he likes those rankings: QU is ranked higher than UConn.


:lol:

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby Ferrisjso » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:25 pm

guybourdin wrote:Figured out why he likes those rankings: QU is ranked higher than UConn.


QU was not ranked higher than UCONN.

Edit-checked on my phone and yeah the rankings are all out of fucking wack. I withdraw the recommendation it was from previous experience with the site.
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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby guynourmin » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:29 pm

Ferrisjso wrote:
guybourdin wrote:Figured out why he likes those rankings: QU is ranked higher than UConn.


QU was not ranked higher than UCONN.


well, it is now

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby Ferrisjso » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:30 pm

guybourdin wrote:
Ferrisjso wrote:
guybourdin wrote:Figured out why he likes those rankings: QU is ranked higher than UConn.


QU was not ranked higher than UCONN.


well, it is now

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Yes I can see that, that is incorrect and I do not agree. Tbf though it still could be a useful tool if you just click the median LSAT button(which sorts schools accordingly).

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Re: What are the tiers?

Postby cavalier1138 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:47 pm

Ferrisjso wrote:Yes I can see that, that is incorrect and I do not agree. Tbf though it still could be a useful tool if you just click the median LSAT button(which sorts schools accordingly).


Yes, that would be useful for sorting schools by their median LSAT. Sorting them by their employment numbers might make more sense...



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