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2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby Pomeranian » Wed May 31, 2017 1:27 pm

Don't think anyone has posted this yet, so here it is. ATL says their rankings are the only ones that incorporate the latest ABA employment data concerning the class of 2016.

http://abovethelaw.com/law-school-ranki ... -making%2F

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby cavalier1138 » Wed May 31, 2017 1:43 pm

Why do we keep posting these rankings? I'm sure there are other ranking systems out there looking for a few clicks because they don't rank Yale as the top school. Can't we give those poor sites some much needed traffic?

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby WordPass » Wed May 31, 2017 2:00 pm

UChicago on fire in every field of damn study. A damn rocketship. No way they don't get into #1 territory in multiple disciplines in 10 years.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby rpupkin » Wed May 31, 2017 2:33 pm

WordPass wrote:UChicago on fire in every field of damn study. A damn rocketship. No way they don't get into #1 territory in multiple disciplines in 10 years.

Wrong. UChicago managed to trickle up a spot this year, but its stay at the top will be a short one. There is a school with massive momentum here, but it's not UChicago: it's Duke. The Duke University School of Law is set for a dominant run. LOL @ folks who chose Columbia, Berkeley and NYU over Duke at equal cost. Talk about buying high and selling low.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby BigZuck » Wed May 31, 2017 2:36 pm

This list just confirms what we always knew: NYU and Chicago are trash and Iowa is stealthily a TOP LAW SCHOOL.

Modz plz

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby existentialcrisis » Wed May 31, 2017 2:39 pm

Penn is in free fall, good luck getting me to donate ever.

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Postby rpupkin » Wed May 31, 2017 2:49 pm

existentialcrisis wrote:Penn is in free fall, good luck getting me to donate ever.

This was inevitable. The Penn bubble has been ready to burst for awhile. Frankly, I'm surprised that Penn only dropped three spots. It'll take two or three more years for it to settle down to the UT/NYU/BC layer. I know there are folks out there who believe that Penn will fall lower than that, but I think they're unduly pessimistic. Penn's ivy-league status ensures it will always be at least a solid T20.

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Postby Purple Post It Note » Wed May 31, 2017 3:21 pm

rpupkin wrote:
existentialcrisis wrote:Penn is in free fall, good luck getting me to donate ever.

This was inevitable. The Penn bubble has been ready to burst for awhile. Frankly, I'm surprised that Penn only dropped three spots. It'll take two or three more years for it to settle down to the UT/NYU/BC layer. I know there are folks out there who believe that Penn will fall lower than that, but I think they're unduly pessimistic. Penn's ivy-league status ensures it will always be at least a solid T20.


Could you elaborate on this? Penn seems to always have good employment #s.

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Postby grades?? » Wed May 31, 2017 3:23 pm

Duke to t5 confirmed with the biglaw+fc numbers and now this.

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Postby jjcorvino » Wed May 31, 2017 3:26 pm

Guys, I just saw this ranking, how do I withdraw from Columbia and beg Duke to let me back in? I have obviously made a horrible mistake.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby rpupkin » Wed May 31, 2017 4:23 pm

Purple Post It Note wrote:
rpupkin wrote:
existentialcrisis wrote:Penn is in free fall, good luck getting me to donate ever.

This was inevitable. The Penn bubble has been ready to burst for awhile. Frankly, I'm surprised that Penn only dropped three spots. It'll take two or three more years for it to settle down to the UT/NYU/BC layer. I know there are folks out there who believe that Penn will fall lower than that, but I think they're unduly pessimistic. Penn's ivy-league status ensures it will always be at least a solid T20.


Could you elaborate on this? Penn seems to always have good employment #s.

The bolded is the key here. But Penn's little pyramid scheme is slowly getting exposed.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby mtf612 » Wed May 31, 2017 4:28 pm

rpupkin wrote:
Purple Post It Note wrote:
rpupkin wrote:
existentialcrisis wrote:Penn is in free fall, good luck getting me to donate ever.

This was inevitable. The Penn bubble has been ready to burst for awhile. Frankly, I'm surprised that Penn only dropped three spots. It'll take two or three more years for it to settle down to the UT/NYU/BC layer. I know there are folks out there who believe that Penn will fall lower than that, but I think they're unduly pessimistic. Penn's ivy-league status ensures it will always be at least a solid T20.


Could you elaborate on this? Penn seems to always have good employment #s.

The bolded is the key here. But Penn's little pyramid scheme is slowly getting exposed.


Pyramid scheme? Mind explaining in more detail. I'm a 0L at Penn so you've got me freaked out.

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Postby cavalier1138 » Wed May 31, 2017 4:31 pm

Stop scaring the 0Ls.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby rpupkin » Wed May 31, 2017 4:35 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:Stop scaring the 0Ls.

Penn's precipitous decline in the ATL rankings speaks for itself. Let's face it: these rankings are scary. No need to sugarcoat things.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby existentialcrisis » Wed May 31, 2017 4:37 pm

mtf612 wrote:
Pyramid scheme? Mind explaining in more detail. I'm a 0L at Penn so you've got me freaked out.


You're fine, don't worry about it. These rankings (and rankings in general) are dumb.

Penn always has excellent employment stats.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby lolwat » Wed May 31, 2017 4:48 pm

Obviously lots of posts in here are sarcasm lol.

Making a big deal out of every rank is stupid but in ranges it is not bad information to have as long as it's not all you're relying on. I mean in general HYS does better than the bottom of the t14, which does better than schools further down in T1, etc., right?

In that context, I think some of this is pretty interesting... like how UGA destroys Emory on this list. Probably because UGA places so well in GA and costs significantly less than Emory for in-state peeps.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby rpupkin » Wed May 31, 2017 4:54 pm

lolwat wrote:Obviously lots of posts in here are sarcasm lol.

Making a big deal out of every rank is stupid but in ranges it is not bad information to have as long as it's not all you're relying on. I mean in general HYS does better than the bottom of the t14, which does better than schools further down in T1, etc., right?

In that context, I think some of this is pretty interesting... like how UGA destroys Emory on this list. Probably because UGA places so well in GA and costs significantly less than Emory for in-state peeps.

lol @ lolwat. He notes the importance of the HYS tier, but then find "pretty interesting" a ranking system that doesn't even have "H" in the top 3. Pathetic. He does have a point though about UGA--that school has always been a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby chicagoburger » Wed May 31, 2017 6:08 pm

Pomeranian wrote:Don't think anyone has posted this yet, so here it is. ATL says their rankings are the only ones that incorporate the latest ABA employment data concerning the class of 2016.

http://abovethelaw.com/law-school-ranki ... -making%2F



AlphaGo beats all the best human players in the world.
Nobody will care much about the ranking of Go players' ranking ever since.
Just like what happened to the chess players after Deep Blue.

People here worship in old tradition and elitism in legal education.

I am afraid that will change and I will be proud to join those who bring it down.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby cavalier1138 » Wed May 31, 2017 6:17 pm

chicagoburger wrote:
Pomeranian wrote:Don't think anyone has posted this yet, so here it is. ATL says their rankings are the only ones that incorporate the latest ABA employment data concerning the class of 2016.

http://abovethelaw.com/law-school-ranki ... -making%2F



AlphaGo beats all the best human players in the world.
Nobody will care much about the ranking of Go players' ranking ever since.
Just like what happened to the chess players after Deep Blue.

People here worship in old tradition and elitism in legal education.

I am afraid that will change and I will be proud to join those who bring it down.


Get a job.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby WheninLaw » Wed May 31, 2017 7:46 pm

As a Chicago grad, this is great news and not surprising. I immediately received several calls from feeder judges asking me to clerk.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby bmathers » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:06 am

Dickinson is on fire in all of these rankings -- from NR to #27?? My guess is that they get near, or break into, the top 50 in the USNWR next year, once they factor in the past class's 90% employment %. Currently sitting at a USNWR #65 after a 21 point jump this year... based on "old" data that's not quite as good

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby celticsfan » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:39 am

Seton Hall is better than UCLA, seems accurate.

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby jbagelboy » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:19 am

This just keeps going downhill

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Re: 2017 Above the Law (ATL) Rankings

Postby saf18hornet » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:50 am

bmathers wrote:Dickinson is on fire in all of these rankings -- from NR to #27?? My guess is that they get near, or break into, the top 50 in the USNWR next year, once they factor in the past class's 90% employment %. Currently sitting at a USNWR #65 after a 21 point jump this year... based on "old" data that's not quite as good


But it's all relative. 90% employment is great, but when the 75 percentile income is less than 70k, there is nothing to be excited about. The median at top schools is now 180k.



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