luckyirish13 wrote:RedPurpleBlue you're entitled to your opinions, even if you failed to show the logical progression of how you reached your conclusions, and used ad hominem attacks rather than logical warrants. The truly narrow minded are those who follow the crowd without establishing a rational basis for doing so.
I didn't use any logical warrants, because the "crowd" has presented enough already. I think you need to take some real time and think about the schools you're looking at. University of the Pacific is NOT a well-regarded school anywhere if ~46% of students aren't getting job at lawyers. The same would be said about any medical school where ~46% of graduates don't get jobs at doctors. UC-Irvine, UC-Davis, and University of Washington would all be better options in Northern California, considering you have ties, than University of the Pacific. They would probably even be better options than Notre Dame. Picking Notre Dame just because it 1) resonates with you spiritually (or whatever) and 2)because you can mentally imagine yourself watching the games every Saturday until you die are not valid reasons to spend an exorbitant amount of money on getting an education there. Notre Dame Law is largely a regional school, despite its undergraduate counterpart having national reach. Only go to Notre Dame, if you 1) want an outside shot at NYC/Chicago BL or 2) would be fine practicing in the Midwest. Very few people make it back to California or other incredibly distant places. Also, Notre Dame's LRAP is not strong. It's fine. Look at UChicago's LRAP; that's a strong LRAP. You need to ground yourself, because right now you're flying blind in the clouds.
That's better. Thank you for the warrants. Let me say again that I didn't start the thread to argue with people, I more wanted to find out if there were advantages to BigLaw I wasn't seeing, which would have changed my thought process on what to prioritize. But to respond to your criticisms, First I need to point out that my subjective decision making will be necessarily different than decisions made by others, because my situation/personality/mental makeup are different than others. You're entitled to disagree with certain things I find important, but if they matter to me they'll matter to me, because that is subjective. Now with that being said,
You're right that a more apt description for Notre Dame's LRAP is "fine" not "strong". It would be enough to cover my loan while I go to work at my firm here in Sacramento, thus giving me a solid backup option if nothing else works out. This is important because it means there is little or nothing for me to lose. I have a great option waiting for me no matter where I go to school (some have pointed out that I should confirm this with my organization and I agree with that point). So as long as the cost of tuition is kept reasonably in check with scholarship offers, the cost will be covered by LRAP. This also goes for Northwestern or any other school. Assuming their LRAP is "fine" or better, my interest in public interest law alleviates most of the worry about the cost of tuition.
Now, you're right that Notre Dame has a regional reach, and they are succesful at putting attorney's in the midwest, which, if I was not working in Sacramento or San Diego, is where I would want to go. This is why Northwestern is the other school I'd be looking at.
As for working in Northern California, I'm not drawn to the UC schools in California, having visited several of them. Pacific is good though. They wouldn't be my first choice but based on cost/outcome, it would most likely be quite efficient.
4 of the attorney's at my firm went to Pacific, and two of them have now argued before the Supreme Court, including one just last week. I would get a full ride to Pacific, and it does place people in California jobs, although their lower standards of admittance also mean a lot of less talented law students go there who don't make it in law later on. But among those who do get placed, they have very good numbers in Sacramento, but weak numbers elsewhere. This would limit me to working in Sacramento, but it would almost certainly result in me getting a job here at my firm, with law tuition paid in full. I would consider Pacific based on the scholarship and the knowledge that I can come back and work here.
Finally, I do like that Notre Dame is conservative, and I do like their sports program, and as someone of Irish descent, I particularly connect to and get excited about their history. I know myself, and I know that I perform well when I am interested in and excited by something. This means I would perform and learn better at a place I am excited about, which is why I believe Notre Dame would be the best option for me personally. It's not because it "resonates with me spiritually" (I'm agnostic) it's simply that I know I would push myself the most if I am truly excited by the school.