What's So Great About Biglaw?

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby sener212 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:16 am

I recommend going with a associate position that pays well but doesn't have demands of biglaw, but also not quite the pay. $130K. 1450 billable requirement. No Face Time requirement. 3 weeks vacca. 401K match. Great health insurance coverage. Stay for as many years as you like as long as you show up and have a pulse. If you have plans for the evening and there's time sensitive work to be done - leave, its 1450 requirement. Work will do itself. Etc.

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby luckyirish13 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:28 am

sener212 wrote:I recommend going with a associate position that pays well but doesn't have demands of biglaw, but also not quite the pay. $130K. 1450 billable requirement. No Face Time requirement. 3 weeks vacca. 401K match. Great health insurance coverage. Stay for as many years as you like as long as you show up and have a pulse. If you have plans for the evening and there's time sensitive work to be done - leave, its 1450 requirement. Work will do itself. Etc.
That actually sounds quite good. Do those jobs actually exist? And if so what does it take to obtain them?

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby Easterbork » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:44 am

luckyirish13 wrote:
sener212 wrote:I recommend going with a associate position that pays well but doesn't have demands of biglaw, but also not quite the pay. $130K. 1450 billable requirement. No Face Time requirement. 3 weeks vacca. 401K match. Great health insurance coverage. Stay for as many years as you like as long as you show up and have a pulse. If you have plans for the evening and there's time sensitive work to be done - leave, its 1450 requirement. Work will do itself. Etc.
That actually sounds quite good. Do those jobs actually exist? And if so what does it take to obtain them?


Dude you don't even know if the work will be the reward you desire!

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby BigZuck » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:46 am

luckyirish13 wrote:
sener212 wrote:I recommend going with a associate position that pays well but doesn't have demands of biglaw, but also not quite the pay. $130K. 1450 billable requirement. No Face Time requirement. 3 weeks vacca. 401K match. Great health insurance coverage. Stay for as many years as you like as long as you show up and have a pulse. If you have plans for the evening and there's time sensitive work to be done - leave, its 1450 requirement. Work will do itself. Etc.
That actually sounds quite good. Do those jobs actually exist? And if so what does it take to obtain them?

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby luckyirish13 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:58 am

All I ever hear is Biglaw or PI. PI is lower salary, and Biglaw is full of problems.

Mid level firms could be a good alternative to these options. What are the best means of appealing to these firms, and where do they tend to hire from? Assuming sener212 isn't being sarcastic, he seems to have personal experience with midlevel firms, which sounds like a less physically demanding but still financially rewarding option.

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby Moneytrees » Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:09 am

luckyirish13 wrote:All I ever hear is Biglaw or PI. PI is lower salary, and Biglaw is full of problems.

Mid level firms could be a good alternative to these options. What are the best means of appealing to these firms, and where do they tend to hire from? Assuming sener212 isn't being sarcastic, he seems to have personal experience with midlevel firms, which sounds like a less physically demanding but still financially rewarding option.


He's being sarcastic. There are regional Biglaw firms that have lower hourly requirements (and a lower starting salary) but it's tough to land one of those jobs since there are so few of them.

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby Yea All Right » Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:10 am

BigZuck wrote:
luckyirish13 wrote:
sener212 wrote:I recommend going with a associate position that pays well but doesn't have demands of biglaw, but also not quite the pay. $130K. 1450 billable requirement. No Face Time requirement. 3 weeks vacca. 401K match. Great health insurance coverage. Stay for as many years as you like as long as you show up and have a pulse. If you have plans for the evening and there's time sensitive work to be done - leave, its 1450 requirement. Work will do itself. Etc.
That actually sounds quite good. Do those jobs actually exist? And if so what does it take to obtain them?

Dude


$130k, 1450 billable hours requirement, no facetime needed, 401k match, stay as many years as you'd like... sounds too good to be true. Or at least very rare.

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby BlendedUnicorn » Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:13 am

It's like 80% myth that regional firms have lower billable requirements. Maybe lower than the worst NYC sweatshops but mostly they pay you less because they bill you out for less. Unless you're doing contingency work, your value as a junior associate will always be tied to the billable hour.

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby nick417 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:02 am

sener212 wrote:I recommend going with a associate position that pays well but doesn't have demands of biglaw, but also not quite the pay. $130K. 1450 billable requirement. No Face Time requirement. 3 weeks vacca. 401K match. Great health insurance coverage. Stay for as many years as you like as long as you show up and have a pulse. If you have plans for the evening and there's time sensitive work to be done - leave, its 1450 requirement. Work will do itself. Etc.


How did I miss this during OCI?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?! I must be a complete fool. Where were these jobs hiding?

OP has to be trolling us right? There is no way he/she actually believes this is a thing or a legitimate job opportunity right from law school. Right? Not even a 0L would believe this?

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby sener212 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:13 am

Yea All Right wrote:
BigZuck wrote:
luckyirish13 wrote:
sener212 wrote:I recommend going with a associate position that pays well but doesn't have demands of biglaw, but also not quite the pay. $130K. 1450 billable requirement. No Face Time requirement. 3 weeks vacca. 401K match. Great health insurance coverage. Stay for as many years as you like as long as you show up and have a pulse. If you have plans for the evening and there's time sensitive work to be done - leave, its 1450 requirement. Work will do itself. Etc.
That actually sounds quite good. Do those jobs actually exist? And if so what does it take to obtain them?

Dude


$130k, 1450 billable hours requirement, no facetime needed, 401k match, stay as many years as you'd like... sounds too good to be true. Or at least very rare.


Too good to be true. This should be totally obvious. Unfortunately, you're all going into a profession that does not have this type of job. Be aware of that.

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby nick417 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:28 am

sener212 wrote:
Yea All Right wrote:
BigZuck wrote:
luckyirish13 wrote:
sener212 wrote:I recommend going with a associate position that pays well but doesn't have demands of biglaw, but also not quite the pay. $130K. 1450 billable requirement. No Face Time requirement. 3 weeks vacca. 401K match. Great health insurance coverage. Stay for as many years as you like as long as you show up and have a pulse. If you have plans for the evening and there's time sensitive work to be done - leave, its 1450 requirement. Work will do itself. Etc.
That actually sounds quite good. Do those jobs actually exist? And if so what does it take to obtain them?

Dude


$130k, 1450 billable hours requirement, no facetime needed, 401k match, stay as many years as you'd like... sounds too good to be true. Or at least very rare.


Too good to be true. This should be totally obvious. Unfortunately, you're all going into a profession that does not have this type of job. Be aware of that.


I love your trolling abilities sir/madam. Add on an additional 500+ (billable) hours per year and two weeks less vacation and you are approaching what most of us work. Maybe add a couple thousand $$$ for big law, or subtract a lot of $$$ for other legal jobs and you are almost there.

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby bk1 » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:24 pm

How does a post that literally says "work will do itself" fly over so many of your heads?

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby DaydreamNation » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:03 pm

I just don't want to spend the rest of my life at a boring small firm in Chicago which seems to be what happens if you go to ND Law 9/10 times. Know a guy who chose ND over a T14 for similar reasons to the ones OP has mentioned, not better scholly options etc. For those who have drunk the kool aid the power of the leprechaun is bafflingly strong.
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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby guynourmin » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:07 pm

DaydreamNation wrote: I just don't want to spend the rest of my life at a boring small firm in Chicago which seems to be what happens if you go to ND Law 9/10 times.


small firm somewhere, maybe, but in the last 3 years less than 22% of ND grads took the IL bar. ND as a Chicago feeder is far overstated imo.

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Re: What's So Great About Biglaw?

Postby DaydreamNation » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:18 pm

guybourdin wrote:
DaydreamNation wrote: I just don't want to spend the rest of my life at a boring small firm in Chicago which seems to be what happens if you go to ND Law 9/10 times.


small firm somewhere, maybe, but in the last 3 years less than 22% of ND grads took the IL bar. ND as a Chicago feeder is far overstated imo.

Yeah my impression exhibits sample bias for sure, I happen to know a ton of ND ppl from Chicago. Another really common blueprint I think is to go back to wherever you're from (usually in the upper midwest) and work at a small boring firm there.



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