Moneytrees wrote:For what it's worth, I always thought that ND, Georgetown and Berkeley were ranked a little low by US news. In terms of lay prestige they are the best known schools after H, Y, Princeton and Stanford
ND, Georgetown, and Berkeley all have piss-poor student-faculty ratios when compared to their peers. Additionally, each school has at least one other major flaw that weighs it down. Notre Dame is predominately Catholic, warding off a ton of prospective Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, and secular applicants, so they have a hard time keeping their acceptance rate low. Notre Dame has a level of self-selection similar to top liberal arts colleges. They get top applicants and fill their class with high GPA/ACT/SAT students, but they don't bring in a bunch of applicants from beyond their perceived target audience. If you want to be higher than a top 15 university, you need to do that or have such a small class size that your target audience is big enough to keep a very low acceptance rate (e.g. Caltech). Georgetown has a laughable endowment when compared to almost all of its peers on a per capita and absolute basis. The two schools it ties with in ranking (Berkeley and Emory) have endowments north of $4B and $6B respectively. Georgetown's endowment is just shy of $1.5B. Even Rice, a school a third of the size has a $5B+ endowment. Georgetown isn't going to make any jumps in ranking until it can increase its resources. As for Berkeley, its student-faculty ratio is far worse than even ND (10:1) or Georgetown (11:1), clocking in at 17:1. Almost every top 20 university has a student faculty ratio below 9:1, many with 7:1 and lower ratios. That's the struggle of being a publicly funded university. As a result, Berkeley's average class sizes are all much bigger than any top private institution.
They are properly ranked.
If you want prestige rankings, you should really be turning to your personal bias and those of people around you, not US News. US News, while a shit ranking, does actually have factors that matter in its placement other than preftige.