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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby poptart123 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:22 pm

foregetaboutdre wrote:
wiz wrote:Any guesses for where UT is ranked next year? Over/under 9.5?


Trump policies + Exxon Expansion = UT top 3. MAKE UT GREAT AGAIN


Well Rex is a UT Alum, and former Exxon exec..

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby wiz » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:24 pm

Rigo wrote:
goldenbear2020 wrote:
grades?? wrote:
wiz wrote:
grades?? wrote:We have come to the conclusion that it is now to be called the T13 here at my t13 school. UT is a regional school (whether they like it or not), and GT is really GTTT. So, T13 it is. UT and GT I imagine will now try to make T15 a thing lol

What conclusion will you come to next year when UT passes your school in the rankings? GULC kids also once thought they were safe and smugly tried to exclude UT. No school is safe with UT on the rise.


If UT knocks off Duke/UVA, I will fly to the moon on the back of a rocket strapped pig. But truly UT is still regional, they do not have the national brand nor employment stats. It was a long time coming for GT, but UT doesn't get automatically included into the group now. It is t13, the last bastions of national law schools. Berkeley is on its way out too, soon it will be the t12.

If anything, Berkeley has become more regional in recent years - it now places 77% of its class in CA compared to 83% of UT in TX.

I mean that's self-selection I'm sure.

Yeah, that's like calling CLS/NYU regional. Why wouldn't CCNUT be regional when they are in the top 3 legal markets?

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby wiz » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:27 pm

grades?? wrote:
wiz wrote:
grades?? wrote:We have come to the conclusion that it is now to be called the T13 here at my t13 school. UT is a regional school (whether they like it or not), and GT is really GTTT. So, T13 it is. UT and GT I imagine will now try to make T15 a thing lol

What conclusion will you come to next year when UT passes your school in the rankings? GULC kids also once thought they were safe and smugly tried to exclude UT. No school is safe with UT on the rise.


If UT knocks off Duke/UVA, I will fly to the moon on the back of a rocket strapped pig. But truly UT is still regional, they do not have the national brand nor employment stats. It was a long time coming for GT, but UT doesn't get automatically included into the group now. It is t13, the last bastions of national law schools. Berkeley is on its way out too, soon it will be the t12.

There's a reason this is called March Madness. I would be more careful with the online forum bets I made if I were you.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby goldenbear2020 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:31 pm

Rigo wrote:
goldenbear2020 wrote:
grades?? wrote:
wiz wrote:
grades?? wrote:We have come to the conclusion that it is now to be called the T13 here at my t13 school. UT is a regional school (whether they like it or not), and GT is really GTTT. So, T13 it is. UT and GT I imagine will now try to make T15 a thing lol

What conclusion will you come to next year when UT passes your school in the rankings? GULC kids also once thought they were safe and smugly tried to exclude UT. No school is safe with UT on the rise.


If UT knocks off Duke/UVA, I will fly to the moon on the back of a rocket strapped pig. But truly UT is still regional, they do not have the national brand nor employment stats. It was a long time coming for GT, but UT doesn't get automatically included into the group now. It is t13, the last bastions of national law schools. Berkeley is on its way out too, soon it will be the t12.

If anything, Berkeley has become more regional in recent years - it now places 77% of its class in CA compared to 83% of UT in TX.

I mean that's self-selection I'm sure.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... a-law.html

When the CA legal market is tanking, the BL/FC % drops, and an increasing % of grads stay in state, I interpret that as lack of better options not self selection.
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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Veil of Ignorance » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:37 pm

I wonder if Chicago passed Columbia because it's emphasizing GPA so much more. Didn't MS9 write a post about LSAT medians not affecting the USNWR ranking after a school reaches 170?

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Rigo » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:37 pm

goldenbear2020 wrote:
Rigo wrote:
goldenbear2020 wrote:If anything, Berkeley has become more regional in recent years - it now places 77% of its class in CA compared to 83% of UT in TX.

I mean that's self-selection I'm sure.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... a-law.html
When the CA legal market is tanking, the BL/FC % drops, and an increasing % of grads stay in state, I interpret that as lack of better options not self selection.

But if the CA legal market is tanking, wouldn't they be more likely to go elsewhere but for self-selecting to stay in CA despite the hardships?

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby BigZuck » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:39 pm

Veil of Ignorance wrote:I wonder if Chicago passed Columbia because it's emphasizing GPA so much more. Didn't MS9 write a post about LSAT medians not affecting the USNWR ranking after a school reaches 170?

Yo real talk MS9 needs to get a life if he's doing analysis like that

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby goldenbear2020 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:39 pm

Rigo wrote:
goldenbear2020 wrote:
Rigo wrote:
goldenbear2020 wrote:If anything, Berkeley has become more regional in recent years - it now places 77% of its class in CA compared to 83% of UT in TX.

I mean that's self-selection I'm sure.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... a-law.html
When the CA legal market is tanking, the BL/FC % drops, and an increasing % of grads stay in state, I interpret that as lack of better options not self selection.

But if the CA legal market is tanking, wouldn't they be more likely to go elsewhere but for self-selecting to stay in CA despite the hardships?

They would be more likely to want to go elsewhere but have less options to do so, because of less national reputation in other markets relative to the rest of the T13.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Rigo » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:41 pm

goldenbear2020 wrote:
Rigo wrote:
goldenbear2020 wrote:
Rigo wrote:
goldenbear2020 wrote:If anything, Berkeley has become more regional in recent years - it now places 77% of its class in CA compared to 83% of UT in TX.

I mean that's self-selection I'm sure.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... a-law.html
When the CA legal market is tanking, the BL/FC % drops, and an increasing % of grads stay in state, I interpret that as lack of better options not self selection.

But if the CA legal market is tanking, wouldn't they be more likely to go elsewhere but for self-selecting to stay in CA despite the hardships?

They would be more likely to want to go elsewhere but not have the options to do so, because of less national reputation in other markets relative to the rest of the T13.

I guess you're just choosing the least charitable way of looking at it and I don't know why.
But I'm not a Berkeley apologist for whatever.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Ferrisjso » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:42 pm

Happy my two most likeliest schools went up!(UCONN and Cardozo). Richmond went down:( Kicking myself for being waitlisted at W+L as it's now top 28!

To all the UT people, congratulations on becoming a T14(which is no longer a thing now I guess because this is the first time since 1987 that a T14 school wasn't a T14, thus making the definition obsolete). To all the Georgetown people, I'm sorry for your loss. Also interesting that Harvard fell to number 3 and Columbia to number 5, didn't see that coming.
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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby grades?? » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:43 pm

Ferrisjso wrote:Happy my two most likeliest schools went up!(UCONN and Cardozo). Richmond went down:( Kicking myself for being waitlisted at W+L as it's now top 28!

To all the UT people, congratulations on becoming a T14(which is no longer a thing now I guess). To all the Georgetown people, I'm sorry for your loss. Also interesting that Harvard fell to number 3 and Columbia to number 5, didn't see that coming.


There is no more t14. It is t13.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby 20170322 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:44 pm

goldenbear2020 wrote:
Catsinspace wrote:what's up with berkeley? any insight there? also go chicago!

#13 in BL/FC placement, #18 in median LSAT, stingy scholarships, dean scandal, violent protests, ... if anything they're being propped up by their peer assessment score and lack of competition in the region

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Ferrisjso » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:45 pm

grades?? wrote:
Ferrisjso wrote:Happy my two most likeliest schools went up!(UCONN and Cardozo). Richmond went down:( Kicking myself for being waitlisted at W+L as it's now top 28!

To all the UT people, congratulations on becoming a T14(which is no longer a thing now I guess). To all the Georgetown people, I'm sorry for your loss. Also interesting that Harvard fell to number 3 and Columbia to number 5, didn't see that coming.


There is no more t14. It is t13.


Why don't just make it 12, since Cornell also missed the T14 once the first year and is routinely the lowest of the 13?

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Blackfish » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:45 pm

The "DNC" tier of schools are objectively better than MV and B in employment numbers. M really shouldn't even be in the conversation. It's the 2nd worst T14 after Georgetown.

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SweetTort wants to watch berk burn, literally.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby grades?? » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:47 pm

Ferrisjso wrote:
grades?? wrote:
Ferrisjso wrote:Happy my two most likeliest schools went up!(UCONN and Cardozo). Richmond went down:( Kicking myself for being waitlisted at W+L as it's now top 28!

To all the UT people, congratulations on becoming a T14(which is no longer a thing now I guess). To all the Georgetown people, I'm sorry for your loss. Also interesting that Harvard fell to number 3 and Columbia to number 5, didn't see that coming.


There is no more t14. It is t13.


Why don't just make it 12, since Cornell also missed the T14 once the first year and is routinely the lowest of the 13?


because the first year doesn't count. That has been consistent for years. UT is still a regional school. Dont go to UT if you want to work in DC, Chicago, etc. The t14 was to delineate national schools. So, we are now at t13. Cornell still has a national reputation that UT doesn't.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby habeas2210 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:48 pm

grades?? wrote:
wiz wrote:
grades?? wrote:We have come to the conclusion that it is now to be called the T13 here at my t13 school. UT is a regional school (whether they like it or not), and GT is really GTTT. So, T13 it is. UT and GT I imagine will now try to make T15 a thing lol

What conclusion will you come to next year when UT passes your school in the rankings? GULC kids also once thought they were safe and smugly tried to exclude UT. No school is safe with UT on the rise.


If UT knocks off Duke/UVA, I will fly to the moon on the back of a rocket strapped pig. But truly UT is still regional, they do not have the national brand nor employment stats. It was a long time coming for GT, but UT doesn't get automatically included into the group now. It is t13, the last bastions of national law schools. Berkeley is on its way out too, soon it will be the t12.



UT is far from regional. UT is T14. Deal with it.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Rigo » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:48 pm

Blackfish wrote:The "DNC" tier of schools are objectively better than MV and B in employment numbers. M really shouldn't even be in the conversation. It's the 2nd worst T14 after Georgetown.

Uh no.
1) Mich did better than Berk this past year.
2) Georgetown isn't T14 :mrgreen:

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Postby grades?? » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:50 pm

habeas2210 wrote:
grades?? wrote:
wiz wrote:
grades?? wrote:We have come to the conclusion that it is now to be called the T13 here at my t13 school. UT is a regional school (whether they like it or not), and GT is really GTTT. So, T13 it is. UT and GT I imagine will now try to make T15 a thing lol

What conclusion will you come to next year when UT passes your school in the rankings? GULC kids also once thought they were safe and smugly tried to exclude UT. No school is safe with UT on the rise.


If UT knocks off Duke/UVA, I will fly to the moon on the back of a rocket strapped pig. But truly UT is still regional, they do not have the national brand nor employment stats. It was a long time coming for GT, but UT doesn't get automatically included into the group now. It is t13, the last bastions of national law schools. Berkeley is on its way out too, soon it will be the t12.



UT is far from regional. UT is T14. Deal with it.


LOL sure. UT and GT are outside the t13 now, be as salty as you want.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby habeas2210 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:53 pm

grades?? wrote:
habeas2210 wrote:
grades?? wrote:
wiz wrote:
grades?? wrote:We have come to the conclusion that it is now to be called the T13 here at my t13 school. UT is a regional school (whether they like it or not), and GT is really GTTT. So, T13 it is. UT and GT I imagine will now try to make T15 a thing lol

What conclusion will you come to next year when UT passes your school in the rankings? GULC kids also once thought they were safe and smugly tried to exclude UT. No school is safe with UT on the rise.


If UT knocks off Duke/UVA, I will fly to the moon on the back of a rocket strapped pig. But truly UT is still regional, they do not have the national brand nor employment stats. It was a long time coming for GT, but UT doesn't get automatically included into the group now. It is t13, the last bastions of national law schools. Berkeley is on its way out too, soon it will be the t12.



UT is far from regional. UT is T14. Deal with it.


LOL sure. UT and GT are outside the t13 now, be as salty as you want.


Sozz that you can't handle the new T14. Nom nom nom on your salty tears.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Kronk » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:55 pm

YOUNGBLOOD, your Boalt degree is worthless! When I attended Berkeley, we were ranked 6th in the nation!! How else do you think I secured this totally uninspiring and moderate-paying job at which I work 50 hours a week?

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Postby PrezRand » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:56 pm

TLS logic: If UT had a 70% biglaw placement, but only in Texas, it would still not be t14

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Postby Companion Cube » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:57 pm

UT's perceived regionality may have something to do with student preferences. I don't go there myself, but I know many who do. Most want to work in Texas, but those who don't are seemingly able to find jobs elsewhere (e.g., Latham, NY for a non-unicorn friend of mine).

Edit: this was pretty thoroughly summed up above, just didn't read.
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