34iplaw wrote:I think a lot has been discussed since I was last involved, so I'll just add something rather than getting into rehash territory.
My knowledge is basically limited to interactions with med-skewl friends, and some research on SDN about how something like a post-bacc would work. I would probably be in a better position to get into a top med school than a top law school provided I find a strong post-bacc (mainly because I have a non-existant SGPA and my UGPA isn't *that* bad. I'd probably be better off applying to a med-school with a similar percentile MCAT provided a strong post-bacc program.
Anywho, I inquired on the boards because of that chart Wiz linked to. Supposedly, that is far more often the fault of the applicant rather than high scorers being rejected from any med school or barred from attending. The problem is you get high-scorers that only apply to the top three or five programs. They get blocked out, because they did not apply broadly enough. It'd be similar to 3.9x 177s only applying to Y.
I think the key difference with med school and law school is that from any med school, the "worst" outcome tends to be low to mid six figures with almost assured job security. Some people elect into that. Granted, it is far harder to get into *any* med school than *any* law school, and rock-star law outcomes generally eclipse rock-star medicine outcomes. I would agree that most people getting into a T10/T13/T14 etc. law school (prob T20 even) could likely get into a med school provided sufficient effort. After that, I would think it would get a bit dicey TBH. As for outcomes, I don't think STEP scores vary all that much, so a lot of it is more what you want (besides a few super competitive residencies like derm).
All of this with the caveat that direct comparisons are of obviously limited value.
I don't really buy that you have all these brilliant YLS-level med students getting completely shut out of med school because they only applied to Harvard, Stanford, and Hopkins. Nobody is that dumb if they can maintain a high sGPA through orgo, biochemistry, pchem, and other upper level science classes and get a 39 MCAT (old scale).
Low acceptance rates are a function of tons of applicants and small class sizes. Med schools make cuts at the application stage rather than waiting for firms during OCI to ding half the class.
I don't disagree that getting into any
med school is all that hard, but you're comparing top law school applicants to bottom of the barrel med school applicants if you say that.
Also, why do you think you could get into a better med school than law school? You said your GPA isn't that bad, so you can get into CLS/Chicago with a high enough LSAT. You can't possibly be that confident in landing Stanford or Harvard Med on the medical school side to top that.
I think some of the comparisons were taken too literally. I am largely going off of what others have told me to a certain extent. It wouldn't shock me necessarily, and I think it has little to do with intelligence rather than some sense of arrogance. Is it really unreasonable to think a lot of 3.9+ and 176+ LSAT people don't even bother applying to anything south of Harvard? (I think it would be dumb, but I don't think it's non-existent.) I don't think this would account for all of it, but, based on what the others said, it's not an insignificant number of those in the upper ranges. Some are then rejected for non-numbers related reason like a lack of medical experience. Experience and other softs are more significant factors in med school admissions AFAIK. 3.9s and 39 MCATs with actual experience aren't getting blocked out of med school at any preceptible rate. I apologize if that comes across as shifting the goal posts. I just didn't really articulate fully enough.
I can get into CLS with a high enough LSAT, but I'm a point shy of that right now
(granted, it's well within where I was PTing)...I'm not saying Stanford or Harvard Med, but I would say I would have a fantastic shot at a top 10 med provided a strong post bacc (again, based on what I have read) which would be, in my mind, on par with schools like CLS. That's largely due to increased importance of the SGPA (my GPA would be .1-.15 higher than it is now applying to medschools) Then again, comparing med schools to law schools is diffcult, because your med school is far less important. In reality, your residency is far more important than medschool in determining outcome.