wiz wrote:Hikikomorist wrote:wiz wrote:Hikikomorist wrote:wiz wrote:goldenbear2020 wrote:Based on a sampling of elite business/medical/law school placement and college outcomes, Williams/Amherst place quite well - on par with or better than the lower Ivies. Berkeley is ranked around #40 in both studies...
http://www.inside-higher-ed.com/wp-cont ... 092503.pdf
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliespo ... eges-2016/
Tbf, it's probably a lot harder to get a good job with a lib arts degree than it is to with a Wharton undergrad or MIT engineering or Berkeley CS degree, so it's not surprising that almost everybody who goes to those schools ends up applying to grad school. I wouldn't say that's necessarily a better outcome than become a banker/software engineer, though.
Berkeley is also fucking huge.
Other large elite schools did well. No excuses for Berkeley.
Yeah, I don't think Berkeley is elite for undergrad anyway, so we don't have any beef there
I meant more that LACs are overrated on that list relative to other top schools
Self selection: Why go to grad school when you can make $150k straight out of undergrad doing investment banking or CS?
That's why the Forbes ranking is the perfect counterpart.
I haven't looked into the methodology, but Forbes rankings still look too heavy on LACs
Also, lol at Notre Dame and Tufts T10 national universities (and BC #11)
I mean, I still prefer an input-heavy metric like USNWR, but looking at employment outcomes combined with prestigious graduate program placement is probably as good as it gets in terms of output-focused metrics. I'm betting, though, that Forbes dropped the ball in terms of granularity in measuring employment outcomes, which would explain how service academies rate so highly.