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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Rigo » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:18 am

jbagelboy wrote:If US News means anything, it means this:
https://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2017 ... -presented

This is good.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby LurkerTurnedMember » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:53 am

Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:00 am

LurkerTurnedMember wrote:Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

That's just for law schools.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby LurkerTurnedMember » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:01 am

Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

That's just for law schools.


Sorry I couldn't find one that included consideration of the basketball program. :lol:

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby haus » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:04 am

LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

That's just for law schools.


Sorry I couldn't find one that included consideration of the basketball program. :lol:

Good point. Surely a university's free throw percentage is just as important as the number of volumes held in it's law library.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:04 am

LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

That's just for law schools.


Sorry I couldn't find one that included consideration of the basketball program. :lol:

Overall "lay" prestige is mostly determined by UG prestige, as we discussed at some length. Such a small advantage enjoyed by Berkeley's law school probably isn't decisive in answering the overall question, which is basically our purpose for existing on this board.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Moneytrees » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:05 am

Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

That's just for law schools.


Cal isn't even super well known for its law program and it crushed Duke on peer assessment.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

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Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

That's just for law schools.


Sorry I couldn't find one that included consideration of the basketball program. :lol:

Overall "lay" prestige is mostly determined by UG prestige, as we discussed at some length. Such a small advantage enjoyed by Berkeley's law school probably isn't decisive in answering the overall question, which is basically our purpose for existing on this board.


Oh so something like this one then, where even Berkeley's younger brother, UCLA, beats Dukey both in the U.S. and globally?

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/st ... ted-states

Ok. Now, enough with this. Move on to something else and stop drowning this thread.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Moneytrees » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:18 am

LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

That's just for law schools.


Sorry I couldn't find one that included consideration of the basketball program. :lol:

Overall "lay" prestige is mostly determined by UG prestige, as we discussed at some length. Such a small advantage enjoyed by Berkeley's law school probably isn't decisive in answering the overall question, which is basically our purpose for existing on this board.


Oh so something like this one then, where even Berkeley's younger brother, UCLA, beats Dukey both in the U.S. and globally?

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/st ... ted-states


These rankings measure research/grad program strength, not lay prestige.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:19 am

LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

That's just for law schools.


Sorry I couldn't find one that included consideration of the basketball program. :lol:

Overall "lay" prestige is mostly determined by UG prestige, as we discussed at some length. Such a small advantage enjoyed by Berkeley's law school probably isn't decisive in answering the overall question, which is basically our purpose for existing on this board.


Oh so something like this one then, where even Berkeley's younger brother, UCLA, beats Dukey both in the U.S. and globally?

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/st ... ted-states

Ok. Now, enough with this. Move on to something else and stop drowning this thread.

It has UCSD/B ahead of Brown. How can you post this stuff? Have you no decency?

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby magnum_law » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:23 am

Wow how many pages of the same shittt?

Duke is probably more prestigious than any of the UC's. End of freaking story. Look at UG rankings and shut the fuck up already

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby LurkerTurnedMember » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:30 am

magnum_law wrote:Wow how many pages of the same shittt?

Duke is probably more prestigious than any of the UC's. End of freaking story. Look at UG rankings and shut the fuck up already


That's what I'm saying! Berkeley is ranked better for UG in both the U.S. and globally. It's over. Done. No more discussion about how "that's includes research" (of course it should!) or "well that's just the peer assessment specifically for law school" or other trolling comments.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Moneytrees » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:24 am

Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:Are the people bizzarly supporting Duke regulars or Duke ad com? I hear some schools' ad com people scroll through this forum.

Here are the peer assessment results used in the law school rankings for 2018 and several years back. The order of schools is almost always the same, and it ends this whole dumb Duke vs. Berkeley trolling.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... kings.html

They're both great schools. Now move on.

That's just for law schools.


Sorry I couldn't find one that included consideration of the basketball program. :lol:

Overall "lay" prestige is mostly determined by UG prestige, as we discussed at some length. Such a small advantage enjoyed by Berkeley's law school probably isn't decisive in answering the overall question, which is basically our purpose for existing on this board.


Oh so something like this one then, where even Berkeley's younger brother, UCLA, beats Dukey both in the U.S. and globally?

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/st ... ted-states

Ok. Now, enough with this. Move on to something else and stop drowning this thread.

It has UCSD/B ahead of Brown. How can you post this stuff? Have you no decency?


To be fair those schools shit on Brown in terms of grad school rankings and research output.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby bearsfan23 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:37 am

Why does Gonzaga have a law school?

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby rpupkin » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:57 am

bearsfan23 wrote:Why does Gonzaga have a law school?

They're just following the Duke formula: Top-tier basketball team + mediocre academic reputation = why not have a law school?

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:59 am

rpupkin wrote:
bearsfan23 wrote:Why does Gonzaga have a law school?

They're just following the Duke formula: Top-tier basketball team + mediocre academic reputation = why not have a law school?

Not sure if the description of Gonzaga's basketball team or Duke's academic reputation is more absurd.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Moneytrees » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:04 am

Hikikomorist wrote:
rpupkin wrote:
bearsfan23 wrote:Why does Gonzaga have a law school?

They're just following the Duke formula: Top-tier basketball team + mediocre academic reputation = why not have a law school?

Not sure if the description of Gonzaga's basketball team or Duke's academic reputation is more absurd.


Lol

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

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magnum_law wrote:Wow how many pages of the same shittt?

Duke is probably more prestigious than any of the UC's. End of freaking story. Look at UG rankings and shut the fuck up already


That's what I'm saying! Berkeley is ranked better for UG in both the U.S. and globally. It's over. Done. No more discussion about how "that's includes research" (of course it should!) or "well that's just the peer assessment specifically for law school" or other trolling comments.


Duke > Berkley in UG though: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ra ... iversities

Duke > Berkley in LS too: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sc ... int=a1d108

Duke > Berkley in big law: https://www.lstreports.com/compare/duke/berkeley/

Berkley > Duke in underemployment rate: https://www.lstreports.com/compare/duke/berkeley/

Lay prestige? Who cares what lay people think about law school. If a person didn't go to law school, I could care less about their opinion about law school prestige.

Global rankings? Another garbage nonsense and a useless metric. I grew up and live "abroad" and I can tell you Harvard is literally the only American school (UG & LS since the name elevates it) that will wow people abroad. It occupies a spot of its own. Not even Yale elicits the same "reaction" that Harvard does. And I know many an international lawyer. To international lawyers in the region I live in (lawyers not educated in the US), there's "Harvard", then there's "everyone else". How ever they rank everyone else is just dependent on their familiarity with the school, anecdotal knowledge, etc., because most of them don't consult US news rankings since they rarely hire American lawyers (British lawyers are more favored here).

Which brings us back to the original argument, I don't think there's doubt that Duke > Berkley in U.S. legal circles & firm hiring circles. Fed Clerkships might give the edge to Berkeley though (according to LST).

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Moneytrees » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:06 am

GOODWORKSTE wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
magnum_law wrote:Wow how many pages of the same shittt?

Duke is probably more prestigious than any of the UC's. End of freaking story. Look at UG rankings and shut the fuck up already


That's what I'm saying! Berkeley is ranked better for UG in both the U.S. and globally. It's over. Done. No more discussion about how "that's includes research" (of course it should!) or "well that's just the peer assessment specifically for law school" or other trolling comments.


Duke > Berkley in UG though: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ra ... iversities

Duke > Berkley in LS too: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sc ... int=a1d108

Duke > Berkley in big law: https://www.lstreports.com/compare/duke/berkeley/

Berkley > Duke in underemployment rate: https://www.lstreports.com/compare/duke/berkeley/

Lay prestige? Who cares what lay people think about law school. If a person didn't go to law school, I could care less about their opinion about law school prestige.

Global rankings? Another garbage nonsense and a useless metric. I grew up and live "abroad" and I can tell you Harvard is literally the only American school (UG & LS since the name elevates it) that will wow people abroad. It occupies a spot of its own. Not even Yale elicits the same "reaction" that Harvard does. And I know many an international lawyer. To international lawyers in the region I live in (lawyers not educated in the US), there's "Harvard", then there's "everyone else". How ever they rank everyone else is just dependent on their familiarity with the school, anecdotal knowledge, etc., because most of them don't consult US news rankings since they rarely hire American lawyers (British lawyers are more favored here).

Which brings us back to the original argument, I don't think there's doubt that Duke > Berkley in U.S. legal circles & firm hiring circles. Fed Clerkships might give the edge to Berkeley though (according to LST).


The absurd thing is that this debate is strictly about lay prestige, not about the strength of their law programs.

edit: I lived in the bay for a while, and Cal's law program is generally considered far superior to its UG. A lot of my friends from high school went to Berkeley undergrad, and while it's considered a fantastic school, people weren't necessarily awed by it. Boalt is really prestigious in the bay (and Californi generally) though.
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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby GOODWORKSTE » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:07 am

rpupkin wrote:
bearsfan23 wrote:Why does Gonzaga have a law school?

They're just following the Duke formula: Top-tier basketball team + mediocre academic reputation = why not have a law school?


Low tier trolling makes me wonder where you went to law school

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:08 am

Folks, we're so close a consensus on this. Another 20 pages and we should be able to reach a satisfying conclusion. Maybe half that if people stop trolling with international rankings.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby jbagelboy » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:09 am

GOODWORKSTE wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
magnum_law wrote:Wow how many pages of the same shittt?

Duke is probably more prestigious than any of the UC's. End of freaking story. Look at UG rankings and shut the fuck up already


That's what I'm saying! Berkeley is ranked better for UG in both the U.S. and globally. It's over. Done. No more discussion about how "that's includes research" (of course it should!) or "well that's just the peer assessment specifically for law school" or other trolling comments.


Duke > Berkley in UG though: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ra ... iversities

Duke > Berkley in LS too: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sc ... int=a1d108

Duke > Berkley in big law: https://www.lstreports.com/compare/duke/berkeley/

Berkley > Duke in underemployment rate: https://www.lstreports.com/compare/duke/berkeley/

Lay prestige? Who cares what lay people think about law school. If a person didn't go to law school, I could care less about their opinion about law school prestige.

Global rankings? Another garbage nonsense and a useless metric. I grew up and live "abroad" and I can tell you Harvard is literally the only American school (UG & LS since the name elevates it) that will wow people abroad. It occupies a spot of its own. Not even Yale elicits the same "reaction" that Harvard does. And I know many an international lawyer. To international lawyers in the region I live in (lawyers not educated in the US), there's "Harvard", then there's "everyone else". How ever they rank everyone else is just dependent on their familiarity with the school, anecdotal knowledge, etc., because most of them don't consult US news rankings since they rarely hire American lawyers (British lawyers are more favored here).

Which brings us back to the original argument, I don't think there's doubt that Duke > Berkley in U.S. legal circles & firm hiring circles. Fed Clerkships might give the edge to Berkeley though (according to LST).


Little to none of this is true, except the links quoted above

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby GOODWORKSTE » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:10 am

The only times I've ever seen people use international rankings is when they desperately try to flaunt their international university's rank to break into the U.S. job market.

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby GOODWORKSTE » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:12 am

jbagelboy wrote:
GOODWORKSTE wrote:
LurkerTurnedMember wrote:
magnum_law wrote:Wow how many pages of the same shittt?

Duke is probably more prestigious than any of the UC's. End of freaking story. Look at UG rankings and shut the fuck up already


That's what I'm saying! Berkeley is ranked better for UG in both the U.S. and globally. It's over. Done. No more discussion about how "that's includes research" (of course it should!) or "well that's just the peer assessment specifically for law school" or other trolling comments.


Duke > Berkley in UG though: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ra ... iversities

Duke > Berkley in LS too: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sc ... int=a1d108

Duke > Berkley in big law: https://www.lstreports.com/compare/duke/berkeley/

Berkley > Duke in underemployment rate: https://www.lstreports.com/compare/duke/berkeley/

Lay prestige? Who cares what lay people think about law school. If a person didn't go to law school, I could care less about their opinion about law school prestige.

Global rankings? Another garbage nonsense and a useless metric. I grew up and live "abroad" and I can tell you Harvard is literally the only American school (UG & LS since the name elevates it) that will wow people abroad. It occupies a spot of its own. Not even Yale elicits the same "reaction" that Harvard does. And I know many an international lawyer. To international lawyers in the region I live in (lawyers not educated in the US), there's "Harvard", then there's "everyone else". How ever they rank everyone else is just dependent on their familiarity with the school, anecdotal knowledge, etc., because most of them don't consult US news rankings since they rarely hire American lawyers (British lawyers are more favored here).

Which brings us back to the original argument, I don't think there's doubt that Duke > Berkley in U.S. legal circles & firm hiring circles. Fed Clerkships might give the edge to Berkeley though (according to LST).


Little to none of this is true, except the links quoted above


Lol, sure bud... I literally am posting from another country right now. I could walk into the mall and ask people what they think the best US university and law school is. I could even ring up some lawyers and do that too. What do you think?

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Re: 2018 USNWR Rankings

Postby rpupkin » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:13 am

GOODWORKSTE wrote:
rpupkin wrote:
bearsfan23 wrote:Why does Gonzaga have a law school?

They're just following the Duke formula: Top-tier basketball team + mediocre academic reputation = why not have a law school?


Low tier trolling makes me wonder where you went to law school

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