Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:35 am

rpupkin wrote:


This sounds like a set of LG rules

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby BoyJord » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:40 am

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Chicago
5. Columbia
6. NYU
7. Penn
8. UVA
8. Duke (tie)
10. Michigan
10. Berkeley (tie)
12. Cornell
13. Northwestern
14. Texas

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby Number_L25371794 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:44 am

Why
1. Yale
2. Harvard
2. Stanford


and not

1. Yale
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby BoyJord » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:48 pm

I assumed the TLS community would prefer the Ivy prestige over the Bay Area fun and sun

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby BigZuck » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:50 pm

I haven't had this much fun on TLS in a long time!

I guess North is too busy to run the contest this year?

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby votebuilder1 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:55 pm

BigZuck wrote:I haven't had this much fun on TLS in a long time!

I guess North is too busy to run the contest this year?


Glad I could put the spark back into TLS for ya. :lol:

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby GoBucks6612 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:02 pm

LawBuckeye12 wrote:It's a sad day for me when I am more excited about the US News Law rankings than the NCAA tournament bracket.


+1...Not like the Bucks will make it into the tourney this year though haha.

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby Baby Gaga » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:05 pm

1. Yale
2. Harvard
2. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. Chicago
6. NYU
7. Penn
8. Berkeley
8. UVA
10. Northwestern
11. Michigan
11. Duke
11. Cornell
14. Georgetown
15. Texas
16. UCLA
17. Wash U
18. Vandy
19. GWU
20. BU

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby zot1 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:09 pm

Could someone please leak the actual rankings already?

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby UVAIce » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:15 pm

I would think people would be far more interested in the combination of Article III clerkships and NLJ numbers.

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby etramak » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:07 pm

So if a T14 school like GTown drops to 15, does the elite T14 become the elite T15 or does, say, Texas replace GTown as an elite law school

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby BigZuck » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:16 pm

etramak wrote:So if a T14 school like GTown drops to 15, does the elite T14 become the elite T15 or does, say, Texas replace GTown as an elite law school

How dare you mods please

Eta: oh wait I guess either way UT is elite so continue. Teehee so fun!

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby Fiddlesticks » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:33 pm

The T14 is because the schools have never not been ranked in the top 14. So if Gtown drops, It would have to be called the Top 13, and just exclude Gtown and Texas.

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby rpupkin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:36 pm

Fiddlesticks wrote:The T14 is because the schools have never not been ranked in the top 14. So if Gtown drops, It would have to be called the Top 13, and just exclude Gtown and Texas.

That's not true. NU was ranked as low as 16th in the early days, and Cornell was 15th. Both UT and UCLA were in the top 14 of the debut USNWR rankings.

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby Fiddlesticks » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:44 pm

rpupkin wrote:
Fiddlesticks wrote:The T14 is because the schools have never not been ranked in the top 14. So if Gtown drops, It would have to be called the Top 13, and just exclude Gtown and Texas.

That's not true. NU was ranked as low as 16th in the early days, and Cornell was 15th. Both UT and UCLA were in the top 14 of the debut USNWR rankings.


It appears you are right. Only once (in the debut year, 1987) was NU and Cornell not a T14. I apologize, my statement should say, "The T14 is because the top 14 schools have been ranked in the top 14 every year except the original ranking."

http://law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uplo ... l-rp20.pdf

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby goldenbear2020 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:33 pm

Fiddlesticks wrote:The T14 is because the schools have never not been ranked in the top 14. So if Gtown drops, It would have to be called the Top 13, and just exclude Gtown and Texas.

The T14 has the only schools to ever have a top 10 ranking in USNWR.

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby rpupkin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:48 pm

I just got a peak at 21-30. There are some major shake-ups. Two schools jump from nowhere into the T30, knocking out a couple of schools I thought would be in the T30 for a long while.

I know that TLS tends to focus on the T14, but for those of you out there who care about the T30, hang on tight.

Please do not quote.

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby UVA2B » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:51 pm

This is pointless and anyone actually caring about this is serving USNWR's self-perpetuating purpose of making 0Ls care about meaningless distinctions.

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby rpupkin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:57 pm

UVA2B wrote:This is pointless and anyone actually caring about this is serving USNWR's self-perpetuating purpose of making 0Ls care about meaningless distinctions.

(Brave voice in the wilderness)

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby mjb447 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:18 am

Hey, it's just for fun. It's right in the title!

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby Ferrisjso » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:25 am

Fiddlesticks wrote:
rpupkin wrote:
Fiddlesticks wrote:The T14 is because the schools have never not been ranked in the top 14. So if Gtown drops, It would have to be called the Top 13, and just exclude Gtown and Texas.

That's not true. NU was ranked as low as 16th in the early days, and Cornell was 15th. Both UT and UCLA were in the top 14 of the debut USNWR rankings.


It appears you are right. Only once (in the debut year, 1987) was NU and Cornell not a T14. I apologize, my statement should say, "The T14 is because the top 14 schools have been ranked in the top 14 every year except the original ranking."

http://law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uplo ... l-rp20.pdf


Shouldn't it be the T16 then to include UCLA and UT who both have made it into the T14 at least once?

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Postby rpupkin » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:37 am

Ferrisjso wrote:Shouldn't it be the T16 then to include UCLA and UT who both have made it into the T14 at least once?

No. I don't like the idea of polluting the top tier with regional schools. Frankly, the T14 should be slimmed down, not fattened up. I've long championed the idea of setting the "prestige" cutoff based on the T10 of the year 2000. That was the year that the rankings got the most attention and best response rates—everyone wanted to get the important "millennial" rankings correct. Here are the top 20 schools that year:

1. Yale
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
4. NYU
5. Columbia
6. Chicago
7. Michigan
8. Berkeley
8. Virginia
10. Cornell
10. Duke

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12. Northwestern
12. Penn
14. GULC
15. Texas
16. UCLA
17. USC
18. Vanderbilt
19. Minnesota
20. Washington and Lee

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby Ferrisjso » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:49 am

rpupkin wrote:
Ferrisjso wrote:Shouldn't it be the T16 then to include UCLA and UT who both have made it into the T14 at least once?

No. I don't like the idea of polluting the top tier with regional schools. Frankly, the T14 should be slimmed down, not fattened up. I've long championed the idea of setting the "prestige" cutoff based on the T10 of the year 2000. That was the year that the rankings got the most attention and best response rates—everyone wanted to get the important "millennial" rankings correct. Here are the top 20 schools that year:

1. Yale
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
4. NYU
5. Columbia
6. Chicago
7. Michigan
8. Berkeley
8. Virginia
10. Cornell
10. Duke

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12. Northwestern
12. Penn
14. GULC
15. Texas
16. UCLA
17. USC
18. Vanderbilt
19. Minnesota
20. Washington and Lee


Yeah top 10 would still make more sense than T14.

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby BigZuck » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:04 am

rpupkin wrote:
Ferrisjso wrote:Shouldn't it be the T16 then to include UCLA and UT who both have made it into the T14 at least once?

No. I don't like the idea of polluting the top tier with regional schools. Frankly, the T14 should be slimmed down, not fattened up. I've long championed the idea of setting the "prestige" cutoff based on the T10 of the year 2000. That was the year that the rankings got the most attention and best response rates—everyone wanted to get the important "millennial" rankings correct. Here are the top 20 schools that year:

1. Yale
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
4. NYU
5. Columbia
6. Chicago
7. Michigan
8. Berkeley
8. Virginia
10. Cornell
10. Duke

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12. Northwestern
12. Penn
14. GULC
15. Texas
16. UCLA
17. USC
18. Vanderbilt
19. Minnesota
20. Washington and Lee

My problem with the top 10 above is that I have a hard time considering middling state schools being elite at anything. Drop Chicago and NYU from that list and bump up Penn (I know, also a middling state school but they had a good football program at one point at least) and Georgetown (located in DC which is the most prestigious city in the US and technically a law center which sounds pretty neat to me) then I could live with it.

So it would be:
1. Yale
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
4. Columbia
5. Michigan
6. Berkeley
6. Virginia
8. Cornell
8. Duke
10. Penn
10. GULC

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Re: Just for fun-- Predictions: 2018 USN Law School Rankings

Postby Hikikomorist » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:12 am

This is a lot less interesting without a prize.



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