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Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby chicagoburger » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:22 pm

LSAT 164 GPA 3.1 Scholarship $120,000
LSAT 161 GPA 3.0 Scholarship $94,500
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The University of Illinois is chasing numbers like they never learn from their dirty past.
One stupid test can offset four years of shitty undergraduate study, let alone zero life experience.

What kind of class do they want?

All KJDs and no adults make a law school soulless.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby 20170322 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:30 pm

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby goldenbear2020 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:40 pm

WUSTL:
LSAT 168 GPA 3.0-3.5 Scholarship $100,000 or more
LSAT 167 GPA 3.0-3.5 Scholarship $0 (or a WL)

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby chicagoburger » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:43 pm

goldenbear2020 wrote:WUSTL:
LSAT 168 GPA 3.0-3.5 Scholarship $100,000 or more
LSAT 167 GPA 3.0-3.5 Scholarship $0 (or a WL)


Thanks for the info.
WUSTL is even more outrageous in practicing number chasing.

This is what some of these law schools come down to.
Pathetic.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby chicagoburger » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:46 pm

SweetTort wrote:Jesus, stop whining and just fucking retake. If the test is really such a small thing, then just do better on it.



I never want to study for LSAT in the first place, not to mention retake.

I never thought about law school before. But the more I know about this admission process, the less respect I hold for some of the T1 schools.

And you watch your language.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby Pozzo » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:56 pm

chicagoburger wrote:
SweetTort wrote:Jesus, stop whining and just fucking retake. If the test is really such a small thing, then just do better on it.



I never want to study for LSAT in the first place, not to mention retake.

I never thought about law school before. But the more I know about this admission process, the less respect I hold for some of the T1 schools.

And you watch your language.

Wait. Aren't you actually retaking already?

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby chicagoburger » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:02 pm

Pozzo wrote:
chicagoburger wrote:
SweetTort wrote:Jesus, stop whining and just fucking retake. If the test is really such a small thing, then just do better on it.



I never want to study for LSAT in the first place, not to mention retake.

I never thought about law school before. But the more I know about this admission process, the less respect I hold for some of the T1 schools.

And you watch your language.

Wait. Aren't you actually retaking already?


I will retake.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby Rigo » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:03 pm

LSAT is more indicative of law school success than GPA anyways so I don't get the outrage other than you're butthurt you didn't score higher.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby 20170322 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:06 pm

Rigo wrote:LSAT is more indicative of law school success than GPA anyways so I don't get the outrage other than you're butthurt you didn't score higher.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby Alexandros » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:06 pm

SweetTort wrote:Jesus, stop whining and just fucking retake. If the test is really such a small thing, then just do better on it.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby Mikey » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:07 pm

Lol, why are you crying about law school admissions being a numbers game?

I can guarantee you that most people don't want to take the LSAT, but they do it anyways because they want to go to LS. It is what is, just deal with it.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby dj9i27 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:07 pm

chicagoburger wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
chicagoburger wrote:
SweetTort wrote:Jesus, stop whining and just fucking retake. If the test is really such a small thing, then just do better on it.



I never want to study for LSAT in the first place, not to mention retake.

I never thought about law school before. But the more I know about this admission process, the less respect I hold for some of the T1 schools.

And you watch your language.

Wait. Aren't you actually retaking already?


I will retake.

wait.
"I never want to study for LSAT in the first place, not to mention retake."
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"I will retake."
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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby Rigo » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:10 pm

chicagoburger wrote:What kind of class do they want?
All KJDs and no adults make a law school soulless.

Tell us why reverse splitters should be more valuable than splitters.
And yeah I don't think anybody would dispute the fact that it's good to have a diverse class, but are you assuming these splitters are kjd's? I don't see how this relates, or was it just an unrelated one-off?

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby snowball2 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:17 pm

chicagoburger wrote:LSAT 164 GPA 3.1 Scholarship $120,000
LSAT 161 GPA 3.0 Scholarship $94,500
...

The University of Illinois is chasing numbers like they never learn from their dirty past.
One stupid test can offset four years of shitty undergraduate study, let alone zero life experience.

What kind of class do they want?

All KJDs and no adults make a law school soulless.


Are you actually expecting any school to offer more money for lesser performance? Not at all following your rant. And try not to minimize the quality of the application.

Oh, and remind me again when it was that law schools didn't value better-performing applicants? Oh, I remembered: never.
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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby chicagoburger » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:22 pm

snowball2 wrote:
chicagoburger wrote:LSAT 164 GPA 3.1 Scholarship $120,000
LSAT 161 GPA 3.0 Scholarship $94,500
...

The University of Illinois is chasing numbers like they never learn from their dirty past.
One stupid test can offset four years of shitty undergraduate study, let alone zero life experience.

What kind of class do they want?

All KJDs and no adults make a law school soulless.


Are you actually expecting any school to offer more money for lesser performance? Not at all following your rant. And try not to minimize the quality of the application.


To me, 3.0 should go nowhere in law schools because that's really telling about your undergraduate performance over a long period of time.
Because of a 3-months crash course you get big scholarship from reputable law schools regardless how shitty undergrad you are...what a joke

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby snowball2 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:26 pm

chicagoburger wrote:To me, 3.0 should go nowhere in law schools because that's really telling about your undergraduate performance over a long period of time.
Because of a 3-months crash course you get big scholarship from reputable law schools regardless how shitty undergrad you are...what a joke


Well you can get to 3.0 a number of ways; start out strong then slack off, start weak and then excel, or simply stay consistent. Each communicates something different. Combine that with softs and a strong personal statement and a slacker freshman that got 3 subsequent years of great grades is a pretty appealing candidate. And the LSAT has proven value. Yes, some of it can be taught, but no amount of retaking will get you from 140-180 (I'll accept that there may be anecdotal exceptions).
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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby Rigo » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:28 pm

WUSTL, UIUC, Northwestern, etc. are just known for being splitter friendly.
OTOH UCLA, USC, Berkeley, etc. are known for being reverse splitter friendly.

Every school has their own priorities and strategy heading into each cycle. They dole out aid accordingly.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby 20170322 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:30 pm

chicagoburger wrote:
snowball2 wrote:
chicagoburger wrote:LSAT 164 GPA 3.1 Scholarship $120,000
LSAT 161 GPA 3.0 Scholarship $94,500
...

The University of Illinois is chasing numbers like they never learn from their dirty past.
One stupid test can offset four years of shitty undergraduate study, let alone zero life experience.

What kind of class do they want?

All KJDs and no adults make a law school soulless.


Are you actually expecting any school to offer more money for lesser performance? Not at all following your rant. And try not to minimize the quality of the application.


To me, 3.0 should go nowhere in law schools because that's really telling about your undergraduate performance over a long period of time.
Because of a 3-months crash course you get big scholarship from reputable law schools regardless how shitty undergrad you are...what a joke


If it's that easy... why don't you just do better?

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby dj9i27 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:32 pm

snowball2 wrote:
chicagoburger wrote:To me, 3.0 should go nowhere in law schools because that's really telling about your undergraduate performance over a long period of time.
Because of a 3-months crash course you get big scholarship from reputable law schools regardless how shitty undergrad you are...what a joke


Well you can get to 3.0 a number of ways; start out strong then slack off, start weak and then excel, or simply stay consistent. Each communicates something different. Combine that with softs and a strong personal statement and a slacker freshman that got 3 subsequent years of great grades is a pretty appealing candidate. And the LSAT has proven value. Yes, some of it can be taught, but no amount of retaking will get you from 140-180 (I'll accept that there may be anecdotal exceptions).

There are variables over 4 years that can affect someones gpa. They could have slacked off yes, but lets not act like there isn't a huge difference between Music majors and STEM majors. A 3.3-5 in STEM is almost run of the mill and expected, perhaps that person has a change of heart and decides to go to LS, the LSAT is their chance to prove themselves worthy.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby dj9i27 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:48 pm

lawof11 wrote:
snowball2 wrote:
chicagoburger wrote:To me, 3.0 should go nowhere in law schools because that's really telling about your undergraduate performance over a long period of time.
Because of a 3-months crash course you get big scholarship from reputable law schools regardless how shitty undergrad you are...what a joke


Well you can get to 3.0 a number of ways; start out strong then slack off, start weak and then excel, or simply stay consistent. Each communicates something different. Combine that with softs and a strong personal statement and a slacker freshman that got 3 subsequent years of great grades is a pretty appealing candidate. And the LSAT has proven value. Yes, some of it can be taught, but no amount of retaking will get you from 140-180 (I'll accept that there may be anecdotal exceptions).


snowball2 wrote:
chicagoburger wrote:To me, 3.0 should go nowhere in law schools because that's really telling about your undergraduate performance over a long period of time.
Because of a 3-months crash course you get big scholarship from reputable law schools regardless how shitty undergrad you are...what a joke


Well you can get to 3.0 a number of ways; start out strong then slack off, start weak and then excel, or simply stay consistent. Each communicates something different. Combine that with softs and a strong personal statement and a slacker freshman that got 3 subsequent years of great grades is a pretty appealing candidate. And the LSAT has proven value. Yes, some of it can be taught, but no amount of retaking will get you from 140-180 (I'll accept that there may be anecdotal exceptions).


Again--or it could be something completely different from those scenarios. I took mostly stem classes and then rushed a fraternity my freshman year, I made deans list a bunch towards the end of Sophomore and in my Junior years, and my Senior year my grades were back down. I was also the president of my fraternity my senior year, which was on probation the whole year, forcing me to have countless meetings with the dean and to pour countless amounts of time into related obligations.

It's easy to categorize and use heuristics, but it's intellectually lazy. Every person has a different story, and this prime example of the fundamental attribution error. Oh--there's a reason why I didn't perform up to X and do Y. But all those other guys are soulless K-JDs, who will do shitty in law school, or whatever--and wholly neglect the same allowances/explanations for others' that you would include for yourself.

I think especially for people that are four or five years out--the GPA is much a less barometer or predictor of performance. I mean, I was 17 when I started undergrad. I was an immature, impressionable, hedonistic mass. I'm 26 now, a much, much more mature version of my college self.

It's just horribly short sighted to make large-scale, and quite assumptive, structural criticisms about an 'entire program,' and its applicants, that's based more on your own emotion rather than anything remotely intellectual.

You mentioned something else that I feel like is important to touch on which is the difference a 18 year old self makes from mid-20s. Sure you don't know the world in your mid-20s but you know a helluva lot more than when you were 18 (Like maybe don't take calc 3 because there is a pretty girl in that class).

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby pyramidenergy888 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:04 pm

Chicagoburger, I sympathize with your frustration... but I'm sure you can apply yourself and earn a great LSAT score. Spending a few months on the LSAT is easier than getting work experience and doing well in undergrad etc. It's also more uniform so you know exactly what to do if you want a better chance and everyone is on a level playing field. Much more predictable and transparent than other factors. Just some of the pros.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby mjb447 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:07 pm

Law school will be soulless regardless of the makeup of the student body, TYVM.

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Re: Illinois Admissions Really Care about LSAT

Postby Pozzo » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:18 pm

mjb447 wrote:Law school will be soulless regardless of the makeup of the student body, TYVM.

That's half the charm of it.



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