JohannDeMann wrote: TheSpanishMain wrote:
HuntedUnicorn wrote: It's not like the world divides into law or blue collar drudgery and unemployment.
Exactly. JDM keeps arguing that a TTTT law degree can give someone a potential path to a middle class life. Which is true. But there are a multitude of other paths to the middle class, and most of them are less expensive and risky than a TTTT JD.
Problem is once you've got a worthless undergrad you've boxed yourself in. I'd say a coding boot camp class would definitely be better than law. But as far as other jobs, not much is gonna slot you into to earn 6 figures later in life for someone with no connections that comes from a middle class background. Nursing maybe. I don't think law is that great so you won't get much push back from me if people said law sucks these careers are better. I just take issue with the if you go to John Marshall you won't even be a lawyer in 10 years when the data shows that someone who performs badly at John Marshall will on average earn 85-95k in 10 years as a LAWYER in some capacity.
The data most definitely does not show that. I know you've been leaning hard on the After the JD data but there's tons of problems with that:
a) Massive structural changes to the legal market over the past 10-20 years means that the classes the study measures won't necessarily have similar outcomes to the classes that graduate today
b) Response bias- the ABA naturally will have much better luck getting responses from people who are a) still lawyers and b) successful for something like that.
I'm sure there are more issues and I'm sure you're aware of them. I'm not disputing that it's possible to go to JM or a similarly positioned school and succeed but I still think you're overstating the ease and underestimating the viability of non-law alternatives.
I also think that now is a particularly bad time to go to a school that leans heavily on state level employment in Illinois.