CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

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Postby LurkerShirker » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:45 am

MikeSpivey wrote:
LikelyThrowaway wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Okay folks. Here are University of Florida Law numbers and they are a doozy! Also, I will immodestly say there is a reason I know these so well, keeping in mind we also consult for law schools :)

Apps were up 98%. Acceptance rate went down to 35% (compared to 62%). LSAT +3 (to 160), GPA +.1 (from 3.5 to 3.6). Most diverse class ever: 36% racial & ethnic diversity, 47% women.

They DOUBLED their applications? How??


They hired the right consulting firm :-)

But more importantly, the right Dean.


Earlier press releases from January said they tripled the amount of merit scholarships and were giving 75 percent scholarhips. Even the wrong dean/consulting firm should have been able to do something with that.

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Postby gsy987 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:52 am

LurkerShirker wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
LikelyThrowaway wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Okay folks. Here are University of Florida Law numbers and they are a doozy! Also, I will immodestly say there is a reason I know these so well, keeping in mind we also consult for law schools :)

Apps were up 98%. Acceptance rate went down to 35% (compared to 62%). LSAT +3 (to 160), GPA +.1 (from 3.5 to 3.6). Most diverse class ever: 36% racial & ethnic diversity, 47% women.

They DOUBLED their applications? How??


They hired the right consulting firm :-)

But more importantly, the right Dean.


Earlier press releases from January said they tripled the amount of merit scholarships and were giving 75 percent scholarhips. Even the wrong dean/consulting firm should have been able to do something with that.


I actually ended up with one of those 75% scholarships! They did seem to be giving them out like candy this year.

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Re: CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby MikeSpivey » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:29 am

LurkerShirker wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
LikelyThrowaway wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Okay folks. Here are University of Florida Law numbers and they are a doozy! Also, I will immodestly say there is a reason I know these so well, keeping in mind we also consult for law schools :)

Apps were up 98%. Acceptance rate went down to 35% (compared to 62%). LSAT +3 (to 160), GPA +.1 (from 3.5 to 3.6). Most diverse class ever: 36% racial & ethnic diversity, 47% women.

They DOUBLED their applications? How??


They hired the right consulting firm :-)

But more importantly, the right Dean.


Earlier press releases from January said they tripled the amount of merit scholarships and were giving 75 percent scholarhips. Even the wrong dean/consulting firm should have been able to do something with that.


They did. Although it was the Dean who did it (fundraising), so again the kudos to her, and their total remission (merit aid) is still is not near the level of some other schools in their range.

Bottom line is they did about 50 things they hadn't before. Probably 30 worked and 20 didn't. And that is what it takes, from experience.

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Re: CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby waid180 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:29 am

MikeSpivey wrote:
LurkerShirker wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
LikelyThrowaway wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Okay folks. Here are University of Florida Law numbers and they are a doozy! Also, I will immodestly say there is a reason I know these so well, keeping in mind we also consult for law schools :)

Apps were up 98%. Acceptance rate went down to 35% (compared to 62%). LSAT +3 (to 160), GPA +.1 (from 3.5 to 3.6). Most diverse class ever: 36% racial & ethnic diversity, 47% women.

They DOUBLED their applications? How??


They hired the right consulting firm :-)

But more importantly, the right Dean.


Earlier press releases from January said they tripled the amount of merit scholarships and were giving 75 percent scholarhips. Even the wrong dean/consulting firm should have been able to do something with that.


They did. Although it was the Dean who did it (fundraising), so again the kudos to her, and their total remission (merit aid) is still is not near the level of some other schools in their range.

Bottom line is they did about 50 things they hadn't before. Probably 30 worked and 20 didn't. And that is what it takes, from experience.


Would you say that those of us that are applying this cycle will have just missed law school admission's darkest hour, and will have the unfortunate task of applying right as things begin to rebound? There was no way these numbers were going to continue to drop forever.

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Postby MikeSpivey » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:54 am

waid180 wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
LurkerShirker wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
LikelyThrowaway wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Okay folks. Here are University of Florida Law numbers and they are a doozy! Also, I will immodestly say there is a reason I know these so well, keeping in mind we also consult for law schools :)

Apps were up 98%. Acceptance rate went down to 35% (compared to 62%). LSAT +3 (to 160), GPA +.1 (from 3.5 to 3.6). Most diverse class ever: 36% racial & ethnic diversity, 47% women.

They DOUBLED their applications? How??


They hired the right consulting firm :-)

But more importantly, the right Dean.


Earlier press releases from January said they tripled the amount of merit scholarships and were giving 75 percent scholarhips. Even the wrong dean/consulting firm should have been able to do something with that.


They did. Although it was the Dean who did it (fundraising), so again the kudos to her, and their total remission (merit aid) is still is not near the level of some other schools in their range.

Bottom line is they did about 50 things they hadn't before. Probably 30 worked and 20 didn't. And that is what it takes, from experience.


Would you say that those of us that are applying this cycle will have just missed law school admission's darkest hour, and will have the unfortunate task of applying right as things begin to rebound? There was no way these numbers were going to continue to drop forever.


Here you go: 9I don't think this cycle will be much different than last, and very possibly less rigorous at the top

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

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Postby dietcoke1 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:14 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:Can someone explain to me, like I am a child, why the 2019 tab looks some messed up but all other tabs are good to go? Many thanks!


still working on the excel sheet Spivey, sorry If it looks out of sorts at the moment.

I will clean it up when I get the chance!

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Postby 34iplaw » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:14 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
waid180 wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
LurkerShirker wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
LikelyThrowaway wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Okay folks. Here are University of Florida Law numbers and they are a doozy! Also, I will immodestly say there is a reason I know these so well, keeping in mind we also consult for law schools :)

Apps were up 98%. Acceptance rate went down to 35% (compared to 62%). LSAT +3 (to 160), GPA +.1 (from 3.5 to 3.6). Most diverse class ever: 36% racial & ethnic diversity, 47% women.

They DOUBLED their applications? How??


They hired the right consulting firm :-)

But more importantly, the right Dean.


Earlier press releases from January said they tripled the amount of merit scholarships and were giving 75 percent scholarhips. Even the wrong dean/consulting firm should have been able to do something with that.


They did. Although it was the Dean who did it (fundraising), so again the kudos to her, and their total remission (merit aid) is still is not near the level of some other schools in their range.

Bottom line is they did about 50 things they hadn't before. Probably 30 worked and 20 didn't. And that is what it takes, from experience.


Would you say that those of us that are applying this cycle will have just missed law school admission's darkest hour, and will have the unfortunate task of applying right as things begin to rebound? There was no way these numbers were going to continue to drop forever.


Here you go: 9I don't think this cycle will be much different than last, and very possibly less rigorous at the top

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/


Awesome - that's good news [for most of the forum goers anyways]... I wonder if it has anything to do with the rise of coding being a quick way to make your way to $100K+ with pretty good hours/benefits (and the actual advertisements of this)... (i.e. the idea of going to law school just because you're unsure what to do next has cut back on some of the high scoring applicants interested in law school.)

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Postby 34iplaw » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:14 pm

dietcoke1 wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Can someone explain to me, like I am a child, why the 2019 tab looks some messed up but all other tabs are good to go? Many thanks!


still working on the excel sheet Spivey, sorry If it looks out of sorts at the moment.

I will clean it up when I get the chance!


Thanks for doing this, by the way!

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Postby MikeSpivey » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:32 pm

dietcoke1 wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Can someone explain to me, like I am a child, why the 2019 tab looks some messed up but all other tabs are good to go? Many thanks!


still working on the excel sheet Spivey, sorry If it looks out of sorts at the moment.

I will clean it up when I get the chance!


Thank you Sir!

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Postby knowcompinc » Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:18 am

Pepperdine class has 205 students according to orientation today, no information on GPA or LSAT stats yet.

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Postby MikeSpivey » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:28 am

Where is that Whitespider guy? That kid was born to find medians.

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Postby hipcatdaddio » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:34 am

MikeSpivey wrote:Where is that Whitespider guy? That kid was born to find medians.


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Re: CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Huskies13! » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:56 pm

Duke is up:
https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/
223 (-2)
169 (0)
3.76 (0)

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Postby proteinshake » Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:00 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Duke is up:
https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/
223 (-2)
169 (0)
3.76 (0)

25ths both up by +1 and .03

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Postby RareExports » Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:42 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Duke is up:
https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/
223 (-2)
169 (0)
3.76 (0)

Ouch

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Postby zeglo » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:08 pm

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Postby LittleGiants16 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:00 pm

RareExports wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Duke is up:
https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/
223 (-2)
169 (0)
3.76 (0)

Ouch

Why ouch?

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Postby RareExports » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:45 pm

LittleGiants16 wrote:
RareExports wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Duke is up:
https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/
223 (-2)
169 (0)
3.76 (0)

Ouch

Why ouch?

With how large the increase in 170+ test scores was this cycle, I think it's pretty surprising that Duke wasn't able to get to a 170. Especially considering the (albeit slight) decrease in class size. I think any non-HYS T14 needs to treat a held LSAT median as a loss.

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Postby Tiddlywinks » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:02 pm

RareExports wrote:
LittleGiants16 wrote:
RareExports wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Duke is up:
https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/
223 (-2)
169 (0)
3.76 (0)

Ouch

Why ouch?

With how large the increase in 170+ test scores was this cycle, I think it's pretty surprising that Duke wasn't able to get to a 170. Especially considering the (albeit slight) decrease in class size. I think any non-HYS T14 needs to treat a held LSAT median as a loss.

Gotta look at it in perspective since last year was record lows. They haven't had a 170 median since 2011 so I wouldn't really consider this a loss or anything. I'd expect most to hold medians and maybe an increase or two in the T14 (NYU most likely). 25th should rise though.

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Postby grades?? » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:03 pm

RareExports wrote:
LittleGiants16 wrote:
RareExports wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Duke is up:
https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/
223 (-2)
169 (0)
3.76 (0)

Ouch

Why ouch?

With how large the increase in 170+ test scores was this cycle, I think it's pretty surprising that Duke wasn't able to get to a 170. Especially considering the (albeit slight) decrease in class size. I think any non-HYS T14 needs to treat a held LSAT median as a loss.


Duke was the only t14 in that range last year that held median lsat at 169 while everyone else around them in the rankings dropped at least 1 lsat point. So stfu.

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Postby RareExports » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:10 pm

I wouldn't expect a school that raised class size to increase its median LSAT, but when there's 13% more 170+ scorers and 25% more 175+ scorers, AND it decreases class size, there seems little reason to praise holding a 169.

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Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:26 pm

RareExports wrote:I wouldn't expect a school that raised class size to increase its median LSAT, but when there's 13% more 170+ scorers and 25% more 175+ scorers, AND it decreases class size, there seems little reason to praise holding a 169.

I think choosing to decrease class size is rather praiseworthy in and of itself.

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Postby hogscienceavatarlost » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:43 pm

Hikikomorist wrote:
RareExports wrote:I wouldn't expect a school that raised class size to increase its median LSAT, but when there's 13% more 170+ scorers and 25% more 175+ scorers, AND it decreases class size, there seems little reason to praise holding a 169.

I think choosing to decrease class size is rather praiseworthy in and of itself.


Up to 45% female too. Its not perfect, but at least they're trying.

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Postby Iwanttolawschool » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:54 pm

Hikikomorist wrote:
RareExports wrote:I wouldn't expect a school that raised class size to increase its median LSAT, but when there's 13% more 170+ scorers and 25% more 175+ scorers, AND it decreases class size, there seems little reason to praise holding a 169.

I think choosing to decrease class size is rather praiseworthy in and of itself.


They decreased by 2 people... It wasn't like they intended to decrease, lol.

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Postby proteinshake » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:21 pm

MOAR




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