CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

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Postby vcap180 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:09 pm

bmathers wrote:
vcap180 wrote:
bmathers wrote:
vcap180 wrote:
sonyco wrote:
Ifoundnemo wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.


Mike - do you have any theories as to why the LSAT scores were higher this past cycle? Also, what are you seeing that leads you to believe that this trend won't likely continue for the 2016/2017 cycle, as well?

Any thoughts on the future for a non-URM kjd with average/solid softs who is a 170+ splitter looking for love in the T14 this cycle?


LSAC implemented the new accommodations guidelines for the December 2015 LSAT administration. The guidelines legit state something to the effect of "if the applicant received double time on exams in their private college, then they shall be granted double time on the LSAT."



Holddddd the f*ck on.....what? Some kids are taking the LSAT with 70 minute sections? There's no way - the 35 minute time constraint is precisely what makes the test difficult.

That is the truth - designed to level the playing field.. it's not an everyday test-taker given 70 minutes


Are there bosses, clients, or the courts going to give them double time on deadlines to even the playing field? This is absolute insanity.

I agree to an extent, but there are "coping mechanisms" people use in the day-to-day that can help in such situations. It's not quite that black and white... there are extra hours in a day that can be worked, for the same pay... so, ultimately, extra time = less free time in the work environment


Sure, but how do you even quantify how much "slower" one is -- and thus, how much more time they need? In order for DOUBLING one persons time to truly even the playing field, this individual would need to be TWICE as "slow"as the average person. This is a huge margin. I'm sure for most of these people, an extra 10'mins or so would be sufficient. Anyone requiring more than that, it would seem, would have a very tough time as a lawyer.

I swear these are bizarre times that we live in.
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Postby LikelyThrowaway » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:10 pm

I'm cool with giving them some extra time but 70 minutes strikes me as way too much. But this thread's going to get derailed really quickly if it turns into another "are learning disability accommodations legit?" debates, so I suggest we table the discussion.

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Postby vcap180 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:13 pm

LikelyThrowaway wrote:I'm cool with giving them some extra time but 70 minutes strikes me as way too much. But this thread's going to get derailed really quickly if it turns into another "are learning disability accommodations legit?" debates, so I suggest we table the discussion.


Agree - I just had to confirm that what I was reading wasn't a joke.

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Postby bmathers » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:20 pm

vcap180 wrote:
LikelyThrowaway wrote:I'm cool with giving them some extra time but 70 minutes strikes me as way too much. But this thread's going to get derailed really quickly if it turns into another "are learning disability accommodations legit?" debates, so I suggest we table the discussion.


Agree - I just had to confirm that what I was reading wasn't a joke.

I love these debates, since I am considering disability law. Things are determined through professional neurological testing. It's a day long procedure that helps to quantify such things, so it is not unquantifiable here-say that leads to accommodations or a determination for extended time. I tend to agree that time and a half should be sufficient (and is the vastly more common accom than double time), but cases and individuals are different and such a blanket statement is difficult to make.

That being said, let's get some new medians! :D

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Postby vcap180 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:32 pm

bmathers wrote:
vcap180 wrote:
LikelyThrowaway wrote:I'm cool with giving them some extra time but 70 minutes strikes me as way too much. But this thread's going to get derailed really quickly if it turns into another "are learning disability accommodations legit?" debates, so I suggest we table the discussion.


Agree - I just had to confirm that what I was reading wasn't a joke.

I love these debates, since I am considering disability law. Things are determined through professional neurological testing. It's a day long procedure that helps to quantify such things, so it is not unquantifiable here-say that leads to accommodations or a determination for extended time. I tend to agree that time and a half should be sufficient (and is the vastly more common accom than double time), but cases and individuals are different and such a blanket statement is difficult to make.

That being said, let's get some new medians! :D


Fair enough - although that doesn't respond to my question re: at what point the disability becomes so great as to render law school simply unfeasible. But I shouldn't have been surprised by the double time. We're playing a high stakes game where a 3.0 in engineering from MIT is worth less than a 3.3 in basket weaving from DeVry. Why should anything else make sense?

Rant officially over. Back to medians.

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Re: CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby bmathers » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:55 pm

Has this been posted yet?

Duke Medians
LSAT: 169
GPA: 3.76
Class size: 223

https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/

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Postby HYPSM » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:56 pm

bmathers wrote:Has this been posted yet?

Duke Medians
LSAT: 169
GPA: 3.76
Class size: 223

https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/


Yeah

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Postby sonyco » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:14 pm

Valpo
Class: 104 (-26)
LSAT: 147 (+2)
GPA: 3.02 (+.09)

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Postby poptart123 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:19 pm

sonyco wrote:Valpo
Class: 104 (-26)
LSAT: 147 (+2)
GPA: 3.02 (+.09)


+2 LSAT median?! Impressive!!

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Postby vcap180 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:45 pm

poptart123 wrote:
sonyco wrote:Valpo
Class: 104 (-26)
LSAT: 147 (+2)
GPA: 3.02 (+.09)


+2 LSAT median?! Impressive!!


Even the valpo's of the world are making improvements. Great

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Postby Huskies13! » Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:45 pm

Notre Dame:
http://law.nd.edu/admissions/class-profile/
187 (-13)
158(-3)/164/165
3.42(-.05)/3.71(+.05)/3.82(+.03)

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Postby Huskies13! » Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:03 pm

Pepperdine:
http://law.pepperdine.edu/about/at-a-glance/
207 (+6)
154/159/162(+1)
3.30(+.06)/3.60/3.71

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Re: CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby vcap180 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:02 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Notre Dame:
http://law.nd.edu/admissions/class-profile/
187 (-13)
158(-3)/164/165
3.42(-.05)/3.71(+.05)/3.82(+.03)


Fascinating. What is up with some of these 25th percentiles?

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Postby goldenbear2020 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:11 pm

vcap180 wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Notre Dame:
http://law.nd.edu/admissions/class-profile/
187 (-13)
158(-3)/164/165
3.42(-.05)/3.71(+.05)/3.82(+.03)


Fascinating. What is up with some of these 25th percentiles?


Taking more reverse splitters to maintain (or increase) the median LSAT without sacrificing median GPA.

WashU (2018) is a particularly striking example: 161/167/168, 3.18/3.67/3.80.

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Postby vcap180 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:18 pm

goldenbear2020 wrote:
vcap180 wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Notre Dame:
http://law.nd.edu/admissions/class-profile/
187 (-13)
158(-3)/164/165
3.42(-.05)/3.71(+.05)/3.82(+.03)


Fascinating. What is up with some of these 25th percentiles?


Taking more reverse splitters to maintain (or increase) the median LSAT without sacrificing median GPA.

WashU (2018) is a particularly striking example: 161/167/168, 3.18/3.67/3.80.


Makes sense. So wouldn't this also suggest that high LSAT scores are at an even higher premium ?

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Postby LurkerShirker » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:22 pm

W&L -- Class size 117(-2)
155(-3)/160(0)/161(-1)
3.19(+.11)/3.47(+.06)/3.67(+.10)

law.wlu.edu/admissions/program-information/jd-program/class-of-2019-profile

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Postby proteinshake » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:39 pm

goldenbear2020 wrote:
vcap180 wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Notre Dame:
http://law.nd.edu/admissions/class-profile/
187 (-13)
158(-3)/164/165
3.42(-.05)/3.71(+.05)/3.82(+.03)


Fascinating. What is up with some of these 25th percentiles?


Taking more reverse splitters to maintain (or increase) the median LSAT without sacrificing median GPA.

WashU (2018) is a particularly striking example: 161/167/168, 3.18/3.67/3.80.

those are pretty much the same numbers as GULC

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Postby lsatisfunbro1996 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:57 pm

Hey guys. I have high functioning aspergers and was wondering if there would be any benefit to disclose this information to the adcomms. I know that schools try to promote diversiry; That is why I came here to ask if that could help me at all?

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Postby bmathers » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:37 pm

lsatisfunbro1996 wrote:Hey guys. I have high functioning aspergers and was wondering if there would be any benefit to disclose this information to the adcomms. I know that schools try to promote diversiry; That is why I came here to ask if that could help me at all?

I would create my own thread for this question, rather than posting it in this thread.

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Postby goldenbear2020 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:56 am

Baylor:
http://www.baylor.edu/law/index.php?id=931896
158 (0) / 160 (0) / 162 (0)
3.41 (+0.13) / 3.57 (+0.04) / 3.79 (+0.07)
72 (also 36 started in summer and 32 started in spring, so hard to compare class sizes)

Loyola Chicago:
http://www.luc.edu/law/admission/enteri ... stats.html
154 (-1) / ? / 160 (0)
3.02 (-0.05) / ? / 3.54 (-0.01)
250 (+44)
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Postby goldenbear2020 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:51 am

Michigan State:
https://www.law.msu.edu/admissions/class-profile.html

150 (0) / 154 (0) / 156 (-1)
3.17 (-0.02) / 3.51 (+0.05) / 3.72 (0.00)
264 (-16)

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Postby BEng,MBA,FRM,JD(?) » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:34 pm

Uva

Lsat - 164-169-170
That's a plus 1 on 25th and median. No movement on 75th.

Class size reduced from 304 to 297

No international student as usual :-/

http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... lass19.htm

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Postby goldenbear2020 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:54 pm

New Mexico:
http://lawschool.unm.edu/admissions/about-students/

150 (0) / 154 (0) / 157 (0)
3.20 (-0.01) / 3.46 (-0.01) / 3.66 (-0.07)
114 (+3)

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Postby dietcoke1 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:57 pm

spreadsheet up to date. if anyone finds any mistakes as I'm number crunching, let me know



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