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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Mal Reynolds » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:08 pm

Can someone make a thread with an updated OP with comparisons to last year. I do not volunteer.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby pamphleteer » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:11 pm

hoos89 wrote:
Winston1984 wrote:Is it the T12, or the T13?


At least Michigan had 81.8% LTFTBR - SFJ, compared to GULC's 69.65% (which is worse than a bunch of non-T14 schools).


Jesus that's brutal.

I wonder how much taking on a metric shitton of transfers, many from TTTs and below, are hurting GULC's numbers.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby kingpin101 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:14 pm

Once again I'm confused as to why people choose GULC when they could get into other T14 schools with better employment stats and often more generous scholarships.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby BrazilBandit » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:15 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:Can someone make a thread with an updated OP with comparisons to last year. I do not volunteer.


Spreadsheet has comparisons, but it does include solos.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Mal Reynolds » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:15 pm

Why would you include solos?

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Clemenceau » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:16 pm

BrazilBandit wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:Can someone make a thread with an updated OP with comparisons to last year. I do not volunteer.


Spreadsheet has comparisons, but it does include solos.


Where is said spreadsheet

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby BrazilBandit » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:16 pm

Clemenceau wrote:
BrazilBandit wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:Can someone make a thread with an updated OP with comparisons to last year. I do not volunteer.


Spreadsheet has comparisons, but it does include solos.


Where is said spreadsheet


It is the second line of the OP.

Edit: Just noticed that OP was updated and the link is now broken - here is the correct version.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... d=14086468
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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Robb » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:17 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:Can someone make a thread with an updated OP with comparisons to last year. I do not volunteer.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... d=14086468
Desert Fox wrote:I wonder if the Chicago market was poor in 2014. At northwestern, rumor was 2013 was a better year than 2014. I wonder if that was just because of the Chicago market and if it impacted Michigan as well.

IMO the "prestige" hypothesis is least convincing. I'd assume self selection is a much bigger factor in school to school variance.

Both NU and UChicago had an increase in LTFT BR employment, though. (In fact, not only did Chicago's LTFTBR rate increase, but the # of jobs in Illinois increased slightly, from 28.8% to 30.4%, while NU only had a marginal decrease (0.6%) in Illinois jobs.)

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby JFO1833 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:22 pm

Does not include solos:

14: Georgetown - BL+FC-48%, FTLTBR-80%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-69%
71: New Mexico - BL+FC-3%, FTLTBR-78%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-78%
127: Cleveland State - BL+FC-9%, FTLTBR-47%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-46%
145: Hamline - BL+FC-2%, FTLTBR-46%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-46%
RNP: Western State - BL+FC-2%, FTLTBR-28%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-28%

Totals (149/203 reporting): BL+FC-17%, FTLTBR-58%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-56%

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby The Dark Shepard » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:23 pm

kingpin101 wrote:Once again I'm confused as to why people choose GULC when they could get into other T14 schools with better employment stats and often more generous scholarships.


Lay prestige and being in DC I presume.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Moneytrees » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:24 pm

The Dark Shepard wrote:
kingpin101 wrote:Once again I'm confused as to why people choose GULC when they could get into other T14 schools with better employment stats and often more generous scholarships.


Lay prestige and being in DC I presume.


Lay prestige is a big factor. Georgetown's name carries a lot of weight.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby hoos89 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:24 pm

kingpin101 wrote:Once again I'm confused as to why people choose GULC when they could get into other T14 schools with better employment stats and often more generous scholarships.


I think a lot of 0Ls are surprised to learn just how much worse its placement is than the T13, and many of them don't figure it out until it's too late.


pamphleteer wrote:
hoos89 wrote:
Winston1984 wrote:Is it the T12, or the T13?


At least Michigan had 81.8% LTFTBR - SFJ, compared to GULC's 69.65% (which is worse than a bunch of non-T14 schools).


Jesus that's brutal.

I wonder how much taking on a metric shitton of transfers, many from TTTs and below, are hurting GULC's numbers.


It probably doesn't help. It would be interesting to see the transfers into GULC split out because that would give a better idea for people going to GULC as a 1L, and for people considering transferring to GULC.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Finalfan » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:30 pm

Desert Fox wrote:I wonder if the Chicago market was poor in 2014. At northwestern, rumor was 2013 was a better year than 2014. I wonder if that was just because of the Chicago market and if it impacted Michigan as well.

IMO the "prestige" hypothesis is least convincing. I'd assume self selection is a much bigger factor in school to school variance.



A bunch of people from NW here said 2014>>2013

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby JFO1833 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:32 pm

It probably doesn't help. It would be interesting to see the transfers into GULC split out because that would give a better idea for people going to GULC as a 1L, and for people considering transferring to GULC.


Maybe a bit off topic but I am curious about the way this works out. My understanding is that, in general, an identical 1L who transfers to Georgetown or another top tier school for their 2L year and participates in OCI at the new school fares better than an identical 1L who does OCI at the original lower ranked school. I'm curious as to why.

Is it just the prestige of the name, even though nothing else has changed (they aren't ranked against the new school, right?) or is there a strong belief in a better educated attorney coming out of 2L and 3L year? Or do they view the admission office as an applicant filter?

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:34 pm

JFO1833 wrote:
It probably doesn't help. It would be interesting to see the transfers into GULC split out because that would give a better idea for people going to GULC as a 1L, and for people considering transferring to GULC.


Maybe a bit off topic but I am curious about the way this works out. My understanding is that, in general, an identical 1L who transfers to Georgetown or another top tier school for their 2L year and participates in OCI at the new school fares better than an identical 1L who does OCI at the original lower ranked school. I'm curious as to why.

Is it just the prestige of the name, even though nothing else has changed (they aren't ranked against the new school, right?) or is there a strong belief in a better educated attorney coming out of 2L and 3L year? Or do they view the admission office as an applicant filter?

More access to firms. Won't help a lot of GULC transfers, but at other top schools it's all about getting in front of more people who might hire you.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby runinthefront » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:35 pm

JFO1833 wrote:
It probably doesn't help. It would be interesting to see the transfers into GULC split out because that would give a better idea for people going to GULC as a 1L, and for people considering transferring to GULC.


Maybe a bit off topic but I am curious about the way this works out. My understanding is that, in general, an identical 1L who transfers to Georgetown or another top tier school for their 2L year and participates in OCI at the new school fares better than an identical 1L who does OCI at the original lower ranked school. I'm curious as to why.

Is it just the prestige of the name, even though nothing else has changed (they aren't ranked against the new school, right?) or is there a strong belief in a better educated attorney coming out of 2L and 3L year? Or do they view the admission office as an applicant filter?


transfers simply get the opportunity of making their case w. a screener face to face instead of their app simply getting thrown out via mass-mail.

That's about it. It's harder to reject someone you like after talking to them

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Cobretti » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:37 pm

Finalfan wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:I wonder if the Chicago market was poor in 2014. At northwestern, rumor was 2013 was a better year than 2014. I wonder if that was just because of the Chicago market and if it impacted Michigan as well.

IMO the "prestige" hypothesis is least convincing. I'd assume self selection is a much bigger factor in school to school variance.



A bunch of people from NW here said 2014>>2013

we said overall OCI seemed better in 2014. the chicago market was tough (but it could just be relative that it stayed flat while NY got significantly easier). i guess we'll see when numbers get released in 2 years.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby BrazilBandit » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:40 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:Why would you include solos?


Because I wanted someone to bitch about me volunteering my time do it...

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby registering » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:44 pm

Didn't look at the other disclosures, but GULC's disclosure goes on to list many/all of the places people with school funded positions end up going. If someone really has time to kill, it might be worth checking up on these organizations to see if these people actually wound up getting hired at these Public Interest places. Some of them genuinely look like fillers, but a few of them could be pretty good.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Dafaq » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:45 pm

Georgetown employment crashes from 14th to #18 when SFJ is factored in. Looks like next year USNWR will have to adjust its T14 for the first time in eons …probably true too for the T6.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Finalfan » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:46 pm

IF Georgetown struggled what will George Washington look like??

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Mal Reynolds » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:47 pm

BrazilBandit wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:Why would you include solos?


Because I wanted someone to bitch about me volunteering my time do it...


If you're gonna volunteer don't do it horribly.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby JFO1833 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:48 pm

No solos

75: Yeshiva (Cardozo) - BL+FC-13%, FTLTBR-56%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-56%
102: Rutgers-Camden - BL+FC-8%, FTLTBR-60%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-60%
122: DePaul - BL+FC-8%, FTLTBR-53%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-53%

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Moneytrees » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:48 pm

Also interested in GW. Might be a tough year for them as well.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby pamphleteer » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:49 pm

Dafaq wrote:Georgetown employment crashes from 14th to #18 when SFJ is factored in. Looks like next year USNWR will have to adjust its T14 for the first time in eons …probably true too for the T6.


Employment is such a small factor in USNWR's rankings that I doubt this will change much.




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