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Yeah you're right about Georgetown but even they will beat vandy by a lot in biglaw clerkship section.
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last year they were only better by 1 percent.....MikeJD wrote:Yeah you're right about Georgetown but even they will beat vandy by a lot in biglaw clerkship section.
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http://www.lstscorereports.com/compare/vanderbilt/gulc/MikeJD wrote:Yeah you're right about Georgetown but even they will beat vandy by a lot in biglaw clerkship section.
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I anticipate UT being around 42-45% big law fed clerk. Vandy and GTown closer to 50. It's weird because really, if entrance criteria are a reliable yardstick, UT/Vandy students are indiscernable from some bottom t14. Large class size doesn't help for UT.
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MikeJD wrote:Yeah you're right about Georgetown but even they will beat vandy by a lot in biglaw clerkship section.
How do you figure? Difference last year was 1%.
Vandy: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/vanderbilt/2013/
GULC: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/gulc/
Even if the difference is bigger this year, GULC will be a lot closer to Vandy than they are to any T13.
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One concern: Biglaw hiring is nearing pre-recession norms, but the number of school-funded jobs remain persistently high. This may be a permanent phenomenon: so many schools are willing to provide free labor for a year after graduation, so more employers are taking advantage of it. But you'd hope that a healthier market would be nudging more employers towards, you know, paying their employees.
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school funded is the new normal
schools would rather provide funding for one year than reduce class sizes to reflect market demand and lose three years of tuition
schools would rather provide funding for one year than reduce class sizes to reflect market demand and lose three years of tuition
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isn't FTLTBR(w/o LSF) supposed to be 70%?JFO1833 wrote:26: Arizona-State - BL+FC-14%, FTLTBR-69%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-68%
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All numbers in this thread exclude solo shops. So, subtract 5 from the number you're using and you should come up with the above numbers.johnsont426 wrote:isn't FTLTBR(w/o LSF) supposed to be 70%?JFO1833 wrote:26: Arizona-State - BL+FC-14%, FTLTBR-69%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-68%
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Got it!MT Cicero wrote:All numbers in this thread exclude solo shops. So, subtract 5 from the number you're using and you should come up with the above numbers.johnsont426 wrote:isn't FTLTBR(w/o LSF) supposed to be 70%?JFO1833 wrote:26: Arizona-State - BL+FC-14%, FTLTBR-69%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-68%
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Is there a consensus on how LST will evaluate SFJ? Just on the partial employment releases so far there are more than a handful of schools using SFJ to prop up their employment stats. Seems like USNWR just shrugs it off.jenesaislaw wrote:As soon as the ABA releases the data. I can usually turn it around in under 3 hours.storpappa wrote:When does this translate into the great folks at LST updating their data?
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They already list the percentage of SFJ prominently on each's school report + put a little red asterisk next to the "employment score" percentage to denote that the percentage includes SFJ. I don't know what more they could do...Saddle Up wrote:Is there a consensus on how LST will evaluate SFJ? Just on the partial employment releases so far there are more than a handful of schools using SFJ to prop up their employment stats. Seems like USNWR just shrugs it off.jenesaislaw wrote:As soon as the ABA releases the data. I can usually turn it around in under 3 hours.storpappa wrote:When does this translate into the great folks at LST updating their data?
...Maybe a running list of which schools employ the most students? The only downside to this is schools funding jobs > schools letting their students eat shit
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NU's JD-Advantage (33/284 - 11.62 % -> 25/291 - 8.59 %) and Business/Industry (39/284 -13.73 % -> 22/291 - 7.56 %) are fairly noticeably down. I'm guessing this won't bode well for the more comprehensive salary data which hasn't been released yet despite BL/FC staying constant.Desert Fox wrote:Is issue is "Bar Required" and NU has a ton of JD/MBAs who recently end up working in non-law jobs. FTLTBR includes someone making 30k doing shitlaw but someone making 145K in business. You have to take out JD/MBAs from NU data if you want to compare it to a typical school.KMart wrote:NU with <80% employed? Even though 65% get BLFC? That's an odd dichotomy to me.
Not bad when you consider last year 82% of JD/MBAs (which are around 10% of the class) went into business instead of law.
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/profess ... ts/jd-mba/
This sort of thing is why comparing schools based on naked metrics comes up with weird results.
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They did consider it and gave LSF jobs less weight, but they don't tell us how much less.Saddle Up wrote:Seems like USNWR just shrugs it off.
Starting with this year's rankings, U.S. News discounted the value of full-time jobs lasting at least a year for which bar passage was required or a J.D. degree was an advantage in cases where the job was funded by the law school or the university. Previously, those two job types were fully weighted in the ranking calculations. In addition, all other types of law-school-funded and university-funded jobs were discounted more than in previous rankings.
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47: Maryland - BL+FC-9%, FTLTBR-57%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-57%
https://www.law.umaryland.edu/prospecti ... y-2014.pdf
59: Case Western - BL+FC-12%, FTLTBR-55%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-54%
RNP: Thomas Jefferson - BL+FC-1%, FTLTBR-26%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-26%
All data excludes solos.
https://www.law.umaryland.edu/prospecti ... y-2014.pdf
59: Case Western - BL+FC-12%, FTLTBR-55%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-54%
RNP: Thomas Jefferson - BL+FC-1%, FTLTBR-26%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-26%
All data excludes solos.
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We should use this data and create two rankings: 1) in terms of big law + fed clerk % 2) another in terms of full time JD required employment 9 months out. Some of these schools ranked 15-50 by us news are way outperforming their "ranking."
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First of all Georgetown already beat Vandy by 10% at the NLJ top 250 firms.LET'S GET IT wrote:MikeJD wrote:Yeah you're right about Georgetown but even they will beat vandy by a lot in biglaw clerkship section.
How do you figure? Difference last year was 1%.
Vandy: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/vanderbilt/2013/
GULC: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/gulc/
Even if the difference is bigger this year, GULC will be a lot closer to Vandy than they are to any T13.
In fact vandy finished behind texas,UCLA and USC in the NLJ 250. Again Georgetown is the worst of the so called t-14 but it's still ahead of all the others..
http://tippingthescales.com/2015/02/the ... w-schools/
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I suppose most of the disparity in the top 250 firms can be attributed to location. Georgetown is the best law school in the second biggest legal market in the US. Most big firms have representation there. DC though is very desirable and everyone applies there. Vandy and Tx don't have to compete nearly as often with other students from the T14 in their home markets and have a network for top federal clerkships and big law jobs. They also have a built in applicant base as most Texas folks will apply to UT and most southerners will apply to Vandy and Duke. In NY alone you have three better schools in Columbia, NYU, and Cornell. It really is one of relative ease of competition v. ease of access. When the big markets of NYC and DC are hiring, the schools that feed into those markets tend to do better.
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I don't know if it's enough to show up on the 25-50-75 salary data. Losing 25 in raw numbers in business but gaining 8 (I think) in 100+ law firms is a net loss of 17 in those jobs that should pay well. Might see some movement in the 25 number I guess.star fox wrote:NU's JD-Advantage (33/284 - 11.62 % -> 25/291 - 8.59 %) and Business/Industry (39/284 -13.73 % -> 22/291 - 7.56 %) are fairly noticeably down. I'm guessing this won't bode well for the more comprehensive salary data which hasn't been released yet despite BL/FC staying constant.Desert Fox wrote:Is issue is "Bar Required" and NU has a ton of JD/MBAs who recently end up working in non-law jobs. FTLTBR includes someone making 30k doing shitlaw but someone making 145K in business. You have to take out JD/MBAs from NU data if you want to compare it to a typical school.KMart wrote:NU with <80% employed? Even though 65% get BLFC? That's an odd dichotomy to me.
Not bad when you consider last year 82% of JD/MBAs (which are around 10% of the class) went into business instead of law.
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/profess ... ts/jd-mba/
This sort of thing is why comparing schools based on naked metrics comes up with weird results.
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53% michigan for the W
side note: i feel bad for those that chose michigan over Cornell
side note: i feel bad for those that chose michigan over Cornell
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BUT THE RANKINGSstarry eyed wrote:53% michigan for the W
side note: i feel bad for those that chose michigan over Cornell
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Yikes.TheodoreKGB wrote: Not looking good for Michigan Law
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seriously if anyone is thinking of stepping up for michigan, you're objectively wrong
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Why? They didn't want stinky NYC anyway. They were all BIG GRAND RAPIDS LAW or bust. Better to have bid impossible bids and struck out then to have never OCIed at all.starry eyed wrote:53% michigan for the W
side note: i feel bad for those that chose michigan over Cornell
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