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rpupkin · Post by **rpupkin** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:44 pm

Cobretti wrote:
BigZuck wrote: Doesn't matter, UCLA/USC are regional schools and rankings after the T14 are insignificant. I'm sticking with this unless another school decides to shit the bed/pull a Yale:
HS
CCNP
DCN
B
V
GM
U(T)
Y
doesn't have G/G, these rankings are a farse

Also these tiers are rife with "C" and "N" ambiguity. I consider that a strength. It lets the reader come up with his own interpretation.

twenty 8 · Post by **twenty 8** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:46 pm

Not sure if SFJ was around in my day (not that long ago). For those schools that hand out SFJ to those not offered ... how does the school choose who receives a SFJ and who doesn’t? Lottery, grades or ... ?

jenesaislaw · Post by **jenesaislaw** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:38 pm

twenty 8 wrote:Not sure if SFJ was around in my day (not that long ago). For those schools that hand out SFJ to those not offered ... how does the school choose who receives a SFJ and who doesn’t? Lottery, grades or ... ?

Depends on the type of SFJ. I think at a lot of schools it's like an entitlement program. If you qualify (you're unemployed), you get it if you can find a place to work that meets the criteria.

The SFJ that look more like fellowships? Not clear. One of LST's projects this summer will be to get that information out there.

JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:36 pm

63: Kentucky - BL+FC-17%, FTLTBR-79%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-79%
67: Denver - BL+FC-7%, FTLTBR-55%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-55%
RNP: St. Thomas (FL) - BL+FC-2%, FTLTBR-44%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-44%

New totals with 81 schools:

17,634 graduates
10,348 Full time, long term, bar required (including 281 solo practitioners and 371 school funded)
2,092 Big Law (101+)
485 Federal Clerkships

BL+FC = 15%
FTLTBR (excluding solo) = 57%
FTLTBR (excluding solo and LSF) = 55%

AT9 · Post by **AT9** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:57 pm

Nice work Kentucky.

Vermonster · Post by **Vermonster** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:01 am

Cornell is up. 74.34%

starry eyed · Post by **starry eyed** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:04 am

Dear god.
Zuck I think we have enough info to call this one

JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:09 am

13: Cornell - BL+FC-74%, FTLTBR-96%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-90%

Totals (82 Schools): BL+FC-15%, FTLTBR-58%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-55%

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:09 am

starry eyed wrote:Dear god.
Zuck I think we have enough info to call this one

Call it how? You wanna kick Yale out of the T12? I'm good with that.

CCCNP confirmed. Now we've just got to get NYC to 190 and our work here is done

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:10 am

JFO1833 wrote:BL+FC-74%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-90%

Good Lord Cornell

PeanutsNJam · Post by **PeanutsNJam** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:23 am

Why is UCI's fed clerk so high

starry eyed · Post by **starry eyed** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:40 am

PeanutsNJam wrote:Why is UCI's fed clerk so high

pretty sure it has to do with deans calling in favors since its a a new school and the first years stats are pretty important.
I wouldn't expect it to continue this high. Wasn't its inaugural class like 50% BL/FC?

starry eyed · Post by **starry eyed** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:42 am

C/C/C - peers in the truest sense

starry eyed · Post by **starry eyed** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:45 am

BigZuck wrote:
starry eyed wrote:Dear god.
Zuck I think we have enough info to call this one
Call it how? You wanna kick Yale out of the T12? I'm good with that.

CCCNP confirmed. Now we've just got to get NYC to 190 and our work here is done

i get the feeling that we will be losing the N soon- my prediction for the bottom three (plus Y) is NGM+Y

anything under 70 % and i feel comfortable categorizing Northwestern into the bowels of the T12

Hand · Post by **Hand** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:11 pm

BigZuck wrote:
JFO1833 wrote:BL+FC-74%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-90%
Good Lord Cornell

Wow, Cornell is killing it

pamphleteer · Post by **pamphleteer** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:17 pm

At this point, if you're aiming for NYC biglaw, why wouldn't you just take the money from Cornell rather than go to CNP?

Serett · Post by **Serett** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:22 pm

pamphleteer wrote:At this point, if you're aiming for NYC biglaw, why wouldn't you just take the money from Cornell rather than go to CNP?

All about that Vault, 'bout that Vault!

But really, hell if I know.

BrazilBandit · Post by **BrazilBandit** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:24 pm

pamphleteer wrote:At this point, if you're aiming for NYC biglaw, why wouldn't you just take the money from Cornell rather than go to CNP?

Because Ithaca? I'm not saying it's logical, but it certainly happens

Hand · Post by **Hand** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:26 pm

BrazilBandit wrote:
pamphleteer wrote:At this point, if you're aiming for NYC biglaw, why wouldn't you just take the money from Cornell rather than go to CNP?
Because Ithaca? I'm not saying it's logical, but it certainly happens

Sure, at comparable cost nobody would choose Ithaca presumably, but just think about how much easier it is to get a huge scholarship at Cornell than at CNP

kingpin101 · Post by **kingpin101** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:30 pm

Hand wrote:
BrazilBandit wrote:
pamphleteer wrote:At this point, if you're aiming for NYC biglaw, why wouldn't you just take the money from Cornell rather than go to CNP?
Because Ithaca? I'm not saying it's logical, but it certainly happens
Sure, at comparable cost nobody would choose Ithaca presumably, but just think about how much easier it is to get a huge scholarship at Cornell than at CNP

I "chose" Ithaca for undergrad, and I love it.

2on1 · Post by **2on1** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:31 pm

Great job by Cornell.

Also, glad we just assume everyone in the t14 wants NYC BigLaw.

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:31 pm

Doesn't a large proportion of the top of Cornell's class transfer out? And then don't they also not let transfers participate in OCI? Their numbers are kind of mind boggling if both those are true

toothbrush · Post by **toothbrush** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:34 pm

BigZuck wrote:Doesn't a large proportion of the top of Cornell's class transfer out? And then don't they also not let transfers participate in OCI? Their numbers are kind of mind boggling if both those are true

Yeah, I think it was 18 out 7 in this year. And you're right on the OCI points too, mostly (transfers in can do OCI and other job fairs that happen later in August, if they are accepted early enough).

Guesses on what % will be the highest? Looks like ~85% is a possibility, no?

idontknow1 · Post by **idontknow1** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:49 pm

BrazilBandit wrote:
JFO1833 wrote:
BrazilBandit wrote:Mind sharing the link for UCLA? can't find it for the spreadsheet...
Got it: https://law.ucla.edu/~/media/Assets/Car ... mmary.ashx
Thanks! Spreadsheet is updated!

I hope I am not A-hole to ask this, but can you please adjust the width of the columns for "change" and "BL + FedClerk 2013." Makes it easier for my tiny laptop screen to view the data. Also, if we can see the change from 2014-13 applicants I think it would be helpful. If I can help with the spreadsheet let me know.

Lavitz · Post by **Lavitz** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:51 pm

toothbrush wrote:
BigZuck wrote:Doesn't a large proportion of the top of Cornell's class transfer out? And then don't they also not let transfers participate in OCI? Their numbers are kind of mind boggling if both those are true
Yeah, I think it was 18 out 7 in this year. And you're right on the OCI points too, mostly (transfers in can do OCI and other job fairs that happen later in August, if they are accepted early enough).

FWIW, I saw at least two of the transfers in at OCI this past year.

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