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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Desert Fox » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:51 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:And some people would probably rather risk a strike out rather than move to NYC for their cruel biglaw.

Such dumb.

We do need to constantly remind 0L's of this fact. You don't get to assume employment numbers apply equally everywhere. "I'm going to Penn because it places great in biglaw. Oh and I won't work in NYC, DC, or Chicago. I want Portland or Miami" means you get disqualified from law school.


It is a hard choice, don't discount it. If you are marginal for your market, yea, you'd be stupid not to bid NYC. But a lot of people are like Top third. That gets you Chicago like 80% of the time. But it gets you NYC 95%.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby JohannDeMann » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:55 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Why? Trying to crack Chicago, California, or god forbid rustbelt biglaw is way harder.

I guess the question then is why so dumb? Like half the class purposely rolls with an awful bidding strategy. Maybe the intimidator's CSO comments are smarter than I thought.


Plenty of people don't want to work in NYC or live there or work in Biglaw. The midwest is very chill and it's also probably true that people going to a chill, public like Michigan are much less about the biglaw NYC life than people at Penn, Cornell, and even Duke.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby sesto elemento » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:05 pm

Don't expect Berkeley's employment numbers any time soon. They haven't submitted them for publishing and they won't be updating the website until the end of the month.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby ub3r » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:09 pm

If each of the T14 were people, dating Berkeley would be an absolute nightmare.


I considered a few versions of "why is Berkeley always making things so difficult" before finally settling on this one.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby 071816 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:15 pm

I always wonder what the "Business & Industry" jobs consist of. It probably varies considerably based on school tier, but it would be interesting to know.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby HalfStudent » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:21 pm

chimp wrote:I always wonder what the "Business & Industry" jobs consist of. It probably varies considerably based on school tier, but it would be interesting to know.


JD/MBA?

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:21 pm

chimp wrote:I always wonder what the "Business & Industry" jobs consist of. It probably varies considerably based on school tier, but it would be interesting to know.


at penn its mostly JD/MBA doing consulting or other finance shit. Probably mostly similar in the T14

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby 071816 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:25 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:
chimp wrote:I always wonder what the "Business & Industry" jobs consist of. It probably varies considerably based on school tier, but it would be interesting to know.


at penn its mostly JD/MBA doing consulting or other finance shit. Probably mostly similar in the T14

also, i feel like going in-house directly out of law school (although still fairly rare) is becoming more of a thing, especially for transactional people who missed the biglaw boat.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Desert Fox » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:27 pm

chimp wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:
chimp wrote:I always wonder what the "Business & Industry" jobs consist of. It probably varies considerably based on school tier, but it would be interesting to know.


at penn its mostly JD/MBA doing consulting or other finance shit. Probably mostly similar in the T14

also, i feel like going in-house directly out of law school (although still fairly rare) is becoming more of a thing, especially for transactional people who missed the biglaw boat.


in house and compliance are big.

Here is what NU's looks like. 82% of business report their salaries and bottom 25% of those reported are 113k. Not too shabby

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/profess ... index.html

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby idontknow1 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:29 pm

chimp wrote:I always wonder what the "Business & Industry" jobs consist of. It probably varies considerably based on school tier, but it would be interesting to know.


This is from a 75-100 school, I was wondering this too and came upon it today: http://i.imgur.com/vP281ax.jpg

1/3 of this category is still listed as "other" :|

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby 071816 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:32 pm

idontknow1 wrote:
chimp wrote:I always wonder what the "Business & Industry" jobs consist of. It probably varies considerably based on school tier, but it would be interesting to know.


This is from a 75-100 school, I was wondering this too and came upon it today: http://i.imgur.com/vP281ax.jpg

1/3 of this category is still listed as "other" :|

i'm sure the lower-ranked the school the shittier the "business & industry" jobs tend to be. at higher ranked schools, legit in-house gigs are way easier to come by.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:39 pm

other is code for starbucks

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby WeeBey » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:41 pm

So Biglaw is booming again? Or is the extra month making that much of a difference?

Penn jumped 9%, Duke jumped 10%, and this is the OCI class of 2012.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:42 pm

JohannDeMann wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Why? Trying to crack Chicago, California, or god forbid rustbelt biglaw is way harder.

I guess the question then is why so dumb? Like half the class purposely rolls with an awful bidding strategy. Maybe the intimidator's CSO comments are smarter than I thought.


Plenty of people don't want to work in NYC or live there or work in Biglaw. The midwest is very chill and it's also probably true that people going to a chill, public like Michigan are much less about the biglaw NYC life than people at Penn, Cornell, and even Duke.

Oh I get it I'm not a fan of living in a third world country either but unemployed instead? DF's answer of top third only having 80% chance says a lot though.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:42 pm

WeeBey wrote:So Biglaw is booming again? Or is the extra month making that much of a difference?

Penn jumped 9%, Duke jumped 10%, and this is the OCI class of 2012.

Extra month did nothing for biglaw. Biglaw hiring has definitely picked up over the last couple years.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Finalfan » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:49 pm

YHS

Which one closest to 100?

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby WeeBey » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:50 pm

Particularly NYC right? So we should expect similar increases at Columbia, NYU, Cornell? Ill feel alot happier taking the money at Cornell and running if they can get their number over 70%.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:51 pm

arent they already at 70 including FC?

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby WeeBey » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:51 pm

Finalfan wrote:YHS

Which one closest to 100?


Harvard prolly, but Columbia will beat them, maybe Chicago too.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby WeeBey » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:52 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:arent they already at 70 including FC?


Basically, 68 lol

Maybe they'll pull a 2010 and place 80%.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:53 pm

WeeBey wrote:Particularly NYC right? So we should expect similar increases at Columbia, NYU, Cornell? Ill feel alot happier taking the money at Cornell and running if they can get their number over 70%.

don't worry too much about one year. Cornell is pretty much always TCR if you want NYC.

The increases from Penn/Duke/UVA could just be more people realizing the need to bid NYC. Everyone at CLS/NYU/Cornell already does so no guarantee there will be much change.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby WeeBey » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:56 pm

Actually, they probably will. They beat Duke in terms of NLJ250, but I doubt they'll put up similar clerkship numbers.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Saddle Up » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:56 pm

daleearnhardt123 wrote:
Clemenceau wrote:34 school funded jobs is still pretty meh

I get that maybe a school funded gig could be a segue into a full time PI job, but collecting paychecks from your school for 10+ months after graduation seems less than ideal


Normally I'd agree, but school funded jobs come in different colors. UVAs school funded jobs are fairly desirable for those interested in PI. You find a PI employer you really like, and even if they can't hire you, UVA will pay you a salary for a year.

Salary as in cashier or barista? Seriously, I am attending the other LS that has embarrassingly embraced SFJ to absurdity. I knew about it going in but it was overlookable given a near full ride and living at home. In looking at these employment stats, I figure 2016/17 is a ways away.

I do not personally know anyone with a SFJ, but I hear it’s perceived only slightly better than being jobless.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby UMichUG2015 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:59 pm

University of North Carolina's class of 2014 Employment Data is up
http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/career ... rt2014.pdf

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Re: Latest employment data

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